Who Owns History?

While thoughtful and intelligent people rail at both past and current inequities the reality is true change is primarily left to politicians at all levels of government not individuals or groups of citizens. No matter which side you choose the other side is wrong. The ability of people to debate thoughtfully seems to have become a lost art.

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While thoughtful and intelligent people rail at both past and current inequities the reality is true change is primarily left to politicians at all levels of government not individuals or groups of citizens. No matter which side you choose the other side is wrong. The ability of people to debate thoughtfully seems to have become a lost art.

sometimes people are just wrong. it's not an opinion, it's a fact. i'm always willing to debate things that might be categorized as being in a grey area. certain, things, though, i will not. i will simply tell them that they are wrong... i'm a vegetarian. i won't tell people they are wrong for eating meat but i am happy to talk about it and share my POV. other things, are absolutes. i'm not willing to debate if it's right or wrong to discrimate against people because of their gender, sexuality, race, religion, etc. it's pretty black and white (no pun intended).

Typically, when we're talking about cultural appropriation, it's because those that classically oppress appropriate from the oppressed. A good example is music in America. You can't listen to Led Zeppelin without hearing the outright musical theft, if you've heard any of the originals. So white, male Americans are getting rich off of the art of black Americans.

With this archeological dig, the dynamics are interesting. It's a Dutch dig in Egypt, but the objection is to comparing its influence in largely American black musicians. I don't think they're (the Dutch) getting the history wrong, and Egypt is responding only to how it's being presented. I think that's petty.

Cleopatra is different for me. It's one thing to make fictional characters a different race or sex. It is a whole other matter to do that to someone who existed. The reason we question it now is because of the images Magical Felix posted.

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My use of 'oriental' wasn't and won't be disrespectful.

I hope that someday you'll be able to accept opinions that are different from yours and limit your tendency to accuse others of bigotry. I think it would make the TT a more pleasant place.

I tried to warn you guys that there was something wrong with this fucking kid.

These sub-humans at Disney World's main entrance today are the type of dorks to be like, "I hope that someday you'll be able to accept opinions that are different from yours and limit your tendency to accuse others of bigotry."

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My use of 'oriental' wasn't and won't be disrespectful.

I hope that someday you'll be able to accept opinions that are different from yours and limit your tendency to accuse others of bigotry. I think it would make the TT a more pleasant place.

Ironic, what's the hesitation? We call people from Europe, European. People from Africa, African. Australia, Australian...

Is "Oriental" conveying something different/more?

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your inner bigot/racist, aren't you.

I've stated that I'm a little racist in other forum threads. So, not hiding it.

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These sub-humans at Disney World's main entrance today are the type of dorks to be like, "I hope that someday you'll be able to accept opinions that are different from yours and limit your tendency to accuse others of bigotry."

Florida? I'm kinda surprised.

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I don't see hesitancy in my use of 'oriental'. The antonym of 'oriental' is 'occidental'.

It's surprising and disappointing when people go out of their way to insert negative attributes into words they don't use or that they're unfamiliar with. Dumbing down the language to a 5th-grade level degrades our ability to communicate ideas beyond the 5th-grade level.

I wouldn't feel insulted if I was grouped with other 'Occidentals'. Would you?

Why would anyone assume 'Orientals' conveys something sinister?

cool. so, which would you prefer to be called from now on? Whitey or cracker?

not sure how you equate "Asian" as a dumb downed word. and, to be honest, if the 'occidentals' i was being grouped with included people of your mindset, i would be incredibly insulted. (fyi, i'm a writer and i have a college degree, so i am actually familiar with the term. i just don't happen to use it when referring to people).

so, theoretically, if you were talking to someone from China, and you used that term, and they asked you please not to, would you insist that upon continuing to use it then, explaing to them that it wasn't offensive? curious now.

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I've stated that I'm a little racist in other forum threads. So, not hiding it.

I prefer my terminology.

i see. so, like ironic, you believe the world revolves around you. got it. can't pretend not to be incredibly disappointed in you, not that i imagine you care.

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I've stated that I'm a little racist in other forum threads. So, not hiding it.

Be as racist as you choose, but be aware that racism is a bannable offense on this site.

Govern yourself and your racist bullshit accordingly. Please and thank you.

Also, please be aware that this post is not an invitation for a conversation, and therefore does not require a response from you. Thanks.

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I don't see hesitancy in my use of 'oriental'. The antonym of 'oriental' is 'occidental'.

It's surprising and disappointing when people go out of their way to insert negative attributes into words they don't use or that they're unfamiliar with. Dumbing down the language to a 5th-grade level degrades our ability to communicate ideas beyond the 5th-grade level.

I wouldn't feel insulted if I was grouped with other 'Occidentals'. Would you?

Why would anyone assume 'Orientals' conveys something sinister?

Oriental is widely known as a slur by the Asian community with the same reverence as the n-word and other offensive terms. Please refrain from using it on this site, as it can result in your account being banned. I won't argue the merits therein, and I won't ask again. Thank you.

This thread has severely veered off topic. Let's stay on track, please, and take your personal qualms with each other elsewhere. Thank you.

EDIT: Since the aforementioned request has gone ignored, thread locked until further notice.