Consent

10 Jan 2016

Quote by sprite

aren't you aware that it's always our fault? skirt's too short. too much make up. out too late in a dangerous hood. been drinking. didn't check our drinks to see if someone dropped something in them. writing sexually charged material. our fault. get with the times, woman.

*DARINGLY HIKES UP SKIRT.

There's a knife in my cunt - I'll use it, I swear I will!

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11 Jan 2016

Quote by Metilda

To me, erotica's sole purpose isn't to titillate and turn on - a mere stroke story to get someone off with. To me, erotica's greater purpose is to explore humanity and life through sex and sexuality often using frank and explicit means.

This is the point where your opinion and mine diverge. You can write about , you can write about whatever you like but as soon as you slap the "erotica" tag on it, it's there for sexual gratification. You may like to think there's a higher purpose to it and you're more than welcome to that opinion - I on the other hand see it as written porn.

Putting explicit sexual material into a story does not make it erotica.

erotic
ɪˈrɒtɪk
adjective
relating to or tending to arouse sexual desire or excitement.

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Why not read some stories instead

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11 Jan 2016

Quote by overmykneenow
This is the point where your opinion and mine diverge. You can write about , you can write about whatever you like but as soon as you slap the "erotica" tag on it, it's there for sexual gratification. You may like to think there's a higher purpose to it and you're more than welcome to that opinion - I on the other hand see it as written porn.

Putting explicit sexual material into a story does not make it erotica.

I think it's sad that you don't read the more in depth and complex pieces that are Literary Erotica.

I think it's sad you only look at 'sex content' as something that's supposed to turn you on . . . never something to make you stop and thing? Never a way for a character to become connected to another character? Never a way to see the world in a different view?

A lot of published literary erotica doesn't even have sex in it.

You'd never read Nabokov? Nelly Arcan? Yasunari Kawabata? If you die before you read House of Sleeping Beauties by Kawabata your life is missing something powerful and beautiful.

And please don't give me the pathetic dictionary definition as if that covers all the bases of what erotica fiction IS overall in its most broad and respectable sense. If you only read erotica that's meant to get you off then you're not looking at erotica as the intense and powerful literary concept that it truly is.

It's not just you, though - it's our modern lifestyle and changing times.

And this exact situation is why I'm steadily working on building up Literary Cream - a database for LITERARY works that don't just appeal to those who want to get off when we read.

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But past that . . . even if you want to cling to some sad, shallow dictionary definition . . . are you sitting here and telling me that non-consent stories that I DO read which CLEARLY get me off aren't erotica? Cause if erotica's only about getting off then - well - I think that qualifies.

You just don't like. You don't have to - since when does this rely on what one person likes or doesn't like?

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But seriously though - read some Kawabata and Arcan . . . they both wrote powerful, amazing works of literature.

11 Jan 2016

Quote by sprite
con·sent
kənˈsent/Submit
noun
1.
permission for something to happen or agreement to do something.
"no change may be made without the consent of all the partners"
synonyms: agreement, assent, acceptance, approval, approbation; permission, authorization, sanction, leave; backing, endorsement, support; informalgo-ahead, thumbs up, green light, OK
"the consent of all members"
verb
1.
give permission for something to happen.
"he consented to a search by a detective"
synonyms: agree to, assent to, yield to, give in to, submit to; allow, give permission for, sanction, accept, approve, go along with
"she consented to surgery"

it's simple. if it doesn't exist in your story between every character, man or woman, please do not submit your story - it will be returned.

thank you.

I believe this is an excellent policy. One that sets Lush apart. The topic of and is a major search on other erotica sites.

The question I have is will a story be rejected at the mere mention of these subjects or is it using them as a focus. For instance, for many of us that have suffered through the horrors of abuse, it is a pivotal point in our lives. I wish my life were such that it was shaped by all positive events. Sadly that is not so. There is a difference of saying I suffered through a dehumanizing that has left me scared so deep that only God could heal my wounds, and describing a as a sexual event, which it is not.

11 Jan 2016

Quote by HotWife4U

I believe this is an excellent policy. One that sets Lush apart. The topic of and is a major search on other erotica sites.

The question I have is will a story be rejected at the mere mention of these subjects or is it using them as a focus. For instance, for many of us that have suffered through the horrors of abuse, it is a pivotal point in our lives. I wish my life were such that it was shaped by all positive events. Sadly that is not so. There is a difference of saying I suffered through a dehumanizing that has left me scared so deep that only God could heal my wounds, and describing a as a sexual event, which it is not.

Caution is best. It's my experience that it's wise to ask first - all mods seem willing to answer questions of 'is this acceptable'? and they'll look and tell you yes or no.

I wrote a book (a novel, it's in the Gold Member's stash). It's a Romance-Fantasy piece with a Middle Ages feel. The heroine is the king's personal servant and for 1/2 the book she fancies the idea of killing him. As the story unfolds she comes to see her whole life story a little more clearly and gets to know more about him and why she's even kept as a servant. In the end she's finally given the opportunity to do what she's wanted . . . and well it's a Romance.

But before I started to publish that here at Lush I asked Nicola if it was okay - even though she doesn't murder anybody, only sort of almost several times - she said it was.

But I wouldn't assume and try to pub without asking, first.

11 Jan 2016

Quote by Metilda

And please don't give me the pathetic dictionary definition as if that covers all the bases of what erotica fiction IS overall in its most broad and respectable sense. If you only read erotica that's meant to get you off then you're not looking at erotica as the intense and powerful literary concept that it truly is.

So now the dictionary's wrong too. Looks like I'm in good company.

Nabokov always denied his work was erotic. Feel free to correct him too.

11 Jan 2016

Quote by overmykneenow

So now the dictionary's wrong too. Looks like I'm in good company.

Nabokov always denied his work was erotic. Feel free to correct him too.

The dictionary definition of erotica is the same as pornography. But we all here have different views of works that are pornographic and erotic (hence our discussion). Denoting it all as 'it MUST turn someone on' is disparaging and ignores literary history and pretends as if half the erotic works out there that have been written DON'T qualify.

Publishers don't follow that definition. The definition that ALL notable publishers follow is this: Erotica is literature which explores the character's sexual journey.

So some want that journey to be consensual. Others want it to be strictly romance-related (relationships only or no casual sex on the side, etc). Some want it to be driven by literary interests (serious - focus on emotions and feelings without as much concern for 'hotness')

Other terms tagged on to different concepts are: psychological, highbrow, philosophical . . . many of which won't turn anyone on, and even would repulse people (Story of the Eye, for example).

Now you can argue with me all day that for something to be erotica it MUST turn people on. But then that just means that only pieces which turn YOU on are acceptable (and yet you're trying to use that argument to argue against works that turn ME on . . . and that's why we tend to say 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is okay')

Take the book I mentioned above as an example: House of Sleeping Beauties written by Kawabata.

It's beautifully written - AWARD winning - but the main focus of the story isn't 'having hot sex - lets get these readers off'. That's honestly insulting to assume that about any of his works, in truth.
But anyway - this story is about an elderly man struggling with the psychological and emotional upheaval that comes from aging. To ease his mental weariness he takes up someone's advice to sleep with a woman. No sex takes place with women - none at all. He's elderly, nearing the end of his life, and he takes these quiet nights in the comfort of a female's presence while she's asleep to reminisce. He thinks back to his children's childhoods, his teen years - really sinking into his life. He relives some sex, of course, but it's with a fondness that comes with recollection and love.

It's such a beautiful piece - now classified as literary erotica.

Nelly Arcan as I mentioned wrote a few beautiful pieces. One of hers explores the psychological unraveling of a woman who was in love with a man who ultimately committed suicide. Again, classified as literary erotica.

Anyway. Two years ago it became very clear to me that our modern exposure to the idea of 'sex content is only something to get off to' that I started doing research into literary pieces that have sexuality as a focus. I've been building the database for more than a year, now, and sometime this year I hope I'll be done. So far I have over 200 titles by over 150 authors - and qutie a few like those mentioned above don't contain SEX but ARE the literary definition of erotica (stories that explore the character's sexuality).

Does this matter to the concept of consent? No - it doesn't matter. I'm really discussing erotica VS non-erotica here, I guess.

But turning people on isn't my only mission . . . and whether or not people like my personal sex kinks doesn't mean fuck-o to me. Just like whether or not I like cuckold or cross-dressing men shouldn't matter to the people who are seriously into that.

And further - it's even more sad that damned amazing authors look down ON erotica to the point where they swear it off like it's a shameful no-no . . . but write it anyway and try to pretend it's not a story about someone's sexual journey in life.

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And what's amazing to me about Nabokov is he didn't give a fuck-o about what people thought of him, either. And when he wrote he was prepared to defend it all the way to the US Supreme Court when they started protesting it. . . . something I highly commendh im on.

11 Jan 2016

Quote by Metilda

Caution is best. It's my experience that it's wise to ask first - all mods seem willing to answer questions of 'is this acceptable'? and they'll look and tell you yes or no.

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You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

12 Jan 2016

Here is my consumer's take on consent. When I begin consumption of material ( reading, viewing, relating, eating) I only give my consent as long as I continue to consume. When I choose to no longer consume ( stop reading, stop viewing, stop relating, stop eating) I withdraw my consent. That choice needs to be understood in all participants in the act of consumption. Same as when young women I was pawing at as a young man in the back seat of a car said "No". No meant no (in spite of prevailing wisdom at the the time).

I personally do not read stories. happens. The recounting of can be cathartic for the victims and the perpetrators. I choose not to consume those recounts because they sadden me. But many aspects of human nature sadden me.

I appreciate the efforts of those that screen submissions of material to this site and applaud them. They have choices to make. This is a large outlet and one of the finest I have found. It has liabilities I, as and individual, do not. The internet, the world, reality is endless. If you feel your consumption and contribution is stifled here there are many other outlets.

Now bend over while I have my willing way on your willing self.

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7 Feb 2016

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You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

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