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Jack47
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I can't speak for those who feel fanatical about either circumcising or not circumcising male infants, nor can I speak on behalf of women who exclusively seek male partners with circumcised penises. I don't come from a place of extreme bias either way.

I have a one-year-old son, he's circumcised. Left to my own devices, I probably would've had him circumcised, but as it happened, his father definitely wanted it as well, so that closed the book on that decision. I don't find anything "barbaric" or dangerous about it, nor do I think it's any sort of stealth power play on the part of females. Anyone who believes that is obviously lingering in the dark corners of conspiracy-land a little too often. It's more common in some parts of the world than others, and is completely unrelated to the practice of "female circumcision". So different, in fact, that it's somewhat of a misnomer to even call them both 'circumcision'.

The "article" you posted was pretty funny though.


So different, or maybe not so different, as the supporters of either one will never concede that what they are doing to their children may b harmful t the, it s always perceived as being good for them. In sub Saharan Africa male cicumcision is performed using the same instruments and techniques as is done to girls and also around the same age as girls as well. In these regions mortality rates among boys due to this procedure vary between 5%-20%, which is higher than that among girls that have a clitorodectomy. This is due to the actual wound itself being far more severe and particularly prone to infections due to the sheer amount of tissue amputated.

Throughout the Indonesian archipelago it is a common procedure to have the absolute very tip of a girls clitoral hood amputated at around 30-40 days old. It is almost always performed inside local hospitals and the Indonesian ministry of health issues specific guidelines on just how much to cut off. The procedure takes only as long as it takes someone to close a pair of scissors, so it is actually immensely less painful and invasive than what is done to boys in the United States, the Indonesian ministry of health has also repeatedly rejected the notion that what they are doing is mutilation, stating that it is actually circumcision and mutilation is something completely different.

So in Africa we have severe forms of genital mutilation being performed by unskilled individuals with contaminated equipment that results in high mortality rates and moderate to severe sexual difficulties for many of the survivors of both genders. In Indonesia we have a procedure that is so quick and uninvasive it is much less painful than getting a vaccine and is usually unnoticeable and in the United States we have a procedure that's true damage and effects are always being debated but is certainly much more severe and invasive in every way than to what is done to girls in Indonesia. If you support the parental right to circumcise a male than do you support a parents right to o something far less severe their daughters?

I suspect that most of the women here would say no, but if you would support It than feel free to correct me, although this gets at the larger issue and the real reasons behind it.

I had only posted that article out of curiosity to see what the responses would be to it, not that I necessarily agreed with it. The real reason behind why many women in the United States support circumcision is due to their own personal sexual preferences. This is the real reason why circumcision had continued and grew to be as popular as it did long after the initial promoters in the form of D.kellog and his associates had gone to the grave. This notion is not new though. In 1988 Williamson et al conducted a survey of new and expecting mothers of their sexual experiences and preferences when it came to their partners circumcision status and compared it with separate surveys on whether or not they had thier sons circumcised. The results of their study showed that the circumcision status of the women's sons correlated exactly with the mothers sexual pretence for circumcised men, even for the women who's partners were not circumcised at the time, as long as they preferred circumcisex men the sons ended up being circumcised.

That is the only official study on the correlation between women's preferences in sexual partners and newborn circumcision to be conducted so far, but from what I have seen and what anyone who has ever examined the absolutely bizarre practice of non religious circumcision in the U.S nearly every single women that has their son circumcised prefers their sexual partner to be circumcised. Many women may deny that this factored into their decision but i have absolutely no doubt that sexual preferences played the greatest role in the decision for most. Even examining the responses in this thread reveals a direct correlation between the women's sexual preference and their general view of the procedure. This is the real reason why taking a knife to the genitals of a boy is viewed so differently in this society than taking a knife to the genitals o a girl.

I also find it interesting that uncircumcised women always seem to feel as if they can speak on behalf of women that have actually experienced having this done to them. I find it interesting because I am fairly certain that they are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves. The messages and stories that they carry with them are ones that everyone should be able to hear, regardless of how inconvienent it may be for some to actually see the truth behind their actions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfkcN0BG26E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_382674&feature=iv&src_vid=aS1inzYWa0Q&v=WFNhM-F089E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X3mOw-XuUA
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Quote by Magical_felix


Serious question.

The dildo on your strap on... Is is molded from a circumcised or uncircumcised penis? Can you feel the difference on the receiving end?


Most cildos that I have seen have been modeled on an erect uncircumcised one, if you look closely enough. They are just based on men with shorter foreskins. It would be difficult to manufacture a dildo that functions in the same way as n uncircumcised penis.a
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Quote by Dudealicious


Sorry Ladies, I hate to chime in here but I just can't help from saying one thing.

Jack - you have some serious issues about circumcision. I for one have never got in a heated debate with any of the women I have been with or friends about this topic. Why are you so hung up on this topic?

Afterall if a man is happy with his penis and shows self confidence. Who cares if he has the extra few centimeters of skin on his unit or not!?


I have never discussed it in person with any of my friends either. If he is happy with it and does show confidence than it likely will not matter. But there are men that are not happy about it and there are women who will not excepta man if it is one way or the other. There are many different areas of human sexuality that can and have been focused on and studied and discussed here on this forum as well. This is simply another topic that does impact human sexuality so i dont see why we cant have a conversation on it?



I can see where this is going but I really want to stay neutral on this.
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Since this isn't a parenting forum I thought that things might not get out of hand here...

There is one way that I suspect many men are manipulated on this subject though, that was brought up in the larger discussion of the original posting. I f a man has been crcumcised and spends most of his life hearing from women how much they prefer circumcised men or hears from his partners how happy they are that he has been circumcised than he is going to be far more likely to want to have his son circumcised regardless of what his partner at the time may think. I am aware that "intactivists" tend to rejoice at every time they prevent someone from being circumcised, in the same way some of the supporters of circumcision may feel better every time someone js circumcised. How many of the men here, particularly if they have read some of the other threads on this subject, would have their sons circumcised? What if it was reversed and all the women preferred natural men?

This is separate from what the women who wrote the article was saying but I suspect that it has far greater merit. Hopefully we will be able to keep this civil. I do NOT want this to be about whether curcumcision is a good or bad thing, I only want to discuss the different motivations behind it.
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Since this isn't a parenting forum I thought that things might not get out of hand here...

There is one way that I suspect many men are manipulated on this subject though, that was brought up in the larger discussion of the original posting. I f a man has been crcumcised and spends most of his life hearing from women how much they prefer circumcised men or hears from his partners how happy they are that he has been circumcised than he is going to be far more likely to want to have his son circumcised regardless of what his partner at the time may think. I am aware that "intactivists" tend to rejoice at every time they prevent someone from being circumcised, in the same way some of the supporters of circumcision may feel better every time someone js circumcised. How many of the men here, particularly if they have read some of the other threads on this subject, would have their sons circumcised? What if it was reversed and all the women preferred natural men?

This is separate from what the women who wrote the article was saying but I suspect that it has far greater merit. Hopefully we will be able to keep this civil. I do NOT want this to be about whether curcumcision is a good or bad thing, I only want to discuss the different motivations behind it.
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A lot of hate here, not quite the response I was expecting. I am not trying to start a flame war or even a debate, this was just something I can across and thought it was interesting, this has nothing to do with what I personally think.Since it has to do with wwomen's views on the subject and was written by a woman I thought this would be the appropriate place to put it. I really think that some of you guys are over reacting to this.I only wanted to see what you thought about it.

Here it is, read through the rest of it if you would like, the great context should help. ww.ivillage.com/forums/node/20907565
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There appears to be a limit before posting links, I have put what I wanted every on to see in the first post.
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I have read through some of the other threads on here of this subject but I wanted to see what your views were on this older topic written about circumcision.

I believed that there is truth to it to an extent, but do you agree with it or have you ever fet similarly to this?

posted before on adult sexuality and am doing so again 'cos I think its important. This issue is not just about babies and nappies.

The point: male circumcision gives women sexual power over men. The reason? Circumcision massively decreases the sensitivity of the penis and makes it much harder to masturbate. Therefore, men only get real sexual satisfaction from vaginal penetration. The woman decides whether this happens, so the woman has control.

Justification? - people like sarah jessica parker are always complaining that US guys try to stick their tongue down your throat on the 1st date, and bed you on the second. US teenagers are obsessed with 'getting laid.' Europeans are so much more emotionally sensitive they say. Thats because they're more physically sensitive as well!!! This is also why guys marry younger in the US than in europe - regular vaginal sex without a condom - which reduces sensitivity even more.


Last century, people thought masturbation was really bad, therefore it was suppressed. Teenage girls were controlled psychologically - told their genitals were shameful and dirty, and that only immoral women masturbated. Teenage boys were controlled by circumcision - promoted by a guy called John Harvey Kellogg - he said it should be done without any pain relief, and that it worked for the reasons listed above.

However, in 2004 masturbation is promoted. 1 in 3 women in the US owns a vibrator - you can give yourself a massively intense, rapid, easy orgasm whenever you want - no man needed. John Harvey Kellogg would turn in his grave! Men still get circumcised though - surely not fair!


Why does it still happen? - power.

Last night I was in a bar and some sexist bozo fondled my ass. Was I angry? - no, I smiled sweetly to myself and remembered that the female sex got its revenge in on this guy the day he was born.

Totally and utterly emasculated - condemned to a lifetime of unsensitivity and dificult masturbation - by a woman.

Feminists like Andrea Dworkin often say the penis is a weapon that men use against women. Well - cut part of it off when he's defenceless and maybe you feel a lot better.


We all have female friends who told us when we were pregnant how we 'MUST' have our baby boy circumcised - why? - this was the only time in their lives they would have total, ultimate power over a man's penis.


The next time some circ'ed guy aggressively claims on this board how he really enjoys sex? - Just think - would he really want to believe that actually, women decided the day he was born to put a MASSIVE limit on how much he would EVER enjoy sex? - I think not.


There was a time when we waited for the 1st guy to come along to propose, so we could pay our rent. Nowadays, young women have careers so they don't need a man for financial stability.


Therefore I give you the young woman of today - with her career and her vibrator, she makes circumcised guys crawl on their knees around her. I'm sure anyone here with a teenaged or 20 something son knows exactly what I mean.


This is not an attack on anyone, not women who have circumcised their sons, definitely not the guys themselves. They're just ideas. Thats all. Think about them, respond if you want to.


Michelle