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Lush can get prickly about song lyrics. Recently in one of my stories they stripped out a single line from The Doors song "Soul Kitchen." It wasn't even spoken or sung by a character; the implication was that the narrator merely thought about it. But it was the complete line, and when the story was published, the line was gone.

Much earlier I had someone sing four lines (I think) of Paul Simon's "Duncan." Then were a couple of lines of dialogue where she spoke to someone else about the meaning of the song. It must have been too much to simply remove, so the moderator sent it back and told me to rewrite it.
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They just added me to the list as an author. Of course, that was when they first started to offer premier services.

Back then, I think I had a dozen 1 and 2 chapter stories, and a "long one" (at the time) of 11 chapters.

I am not sure of when they do that, but eventually one of the moderators will just do it. And they have a forum there also, and if you ask as an author there are special sections just for authors. That may help you get noticed sooner.

I think it is one of those "unpublished standards", be active enough and post long enough, and eventually they just do it. It is probably not advertised, to keep people from ripping off 4 or 5 stories from ASSTR and reposting there in the hopes of free membership.


Thanks! I have seven stories on there now, six of which are unique to SOL. With their loose standards, I can publish things there that other sites would reject. I'll just keep going along and I'll see what happens.
I didn't want to use something from online that was copyright to someone else. Thus I didn't use anything that matched my username, which is the name of an Amtrak train and before that one on the New York Central. Anything I did find wasn't that interesting anyway.

Thus I just used one of my own photos, which shows a mural on a fence near my house (the North Bronx). I picked it mostly because it seemed colorful.
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It's automatic once you've posted enough work.


"Automatic for the People." Thanks, I'll see how it goes.
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Of course, there are other ways.

As a frequent contributor, I have free premier status there. That is extended to most of those that post stories at least semi-frequently. And updates are also tagged on the main page. This is why many authors post new chapters on a weekly schedule. To ensure they are always listed there. Myself, I just post chapters as I finish them, with the condition that I always tend to keep 2-5 chapters held back "in reserve". In one today, I posted chapter 76, as I am writing chapter 79. I may post 2 chapters in a day, or 1 in a week, just depending on how fast I am writing at the time.


I assume you mean SOL. I've only been there for a little over a month, and I've posted six stories. I'm not sure I can keep up that pace. I have a few series in the works, but I doubt that any of them will be even close to 79 chapters (more like fifteen at the most).

Anyway, I didn't see anything about free premier service. Did they contact you and offer it, or did you have to ask for it?
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This is fast creeping out of Oli's thread, so I'll answer, but don't want to say too much more about my nontopical writing. smile

This is more "What was the last big thing I accomplished."

But how did I do it? Obsession.

There are also some caveats. My contribution was about half (490k), co-writer writing the other half of the word count. We write on google docs live, as in I write a paragraph or 3, and then she writes a paragraph or three. Live writing takes some getting used to because the other person is seeing every word you type. You can backspace, but they see that too. Anyway, it's what I would call a draft manuscript. It's not polished and edited which is part of the reason that it's unpublishable. There's lots of repetition that I think would have to be pulled out, but when you're writing so much and just going going going, you don't have time to clear out cruft scenes or change synonyms or phrasing on everything.

I suspect that I will never again write at that volume in a year ever again. We are writing a sequel and are averaging about 30-50k per month now. That prior pace wasn't maintainable, but it was fun while it lasted.

For what it's worth, I just tried my hand at solo writing for the Time Travel competition. It took me weeks to get that 5000 words, and I ended up missing the deadline by 2 hours, so, it will be on the site soon, but not in the competition. Solo writing is much harder for me for whatever reason.

If you are up for it, find someone with compatible tastes and writing skills, and give cowriting a try. :)


It's still very impressive. It looks like the series I'm doing, including both published and unpublished chapters, will be a little over 33,000 words. (I'll have to check the math again.) There might be one chapter added to it. Except for the first chapter, it was done since May, I think. There might eventually be a follow-up series, or maybe a few related but standalone sequels.
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A co-writer? Even if I could find someone, I doubt that would work for me.
Didn't we do a shorter version of this on another thread?

This really dates me. The first one I ever had was on Faye Dunaway as Bonnie Parker.



Of course, I was only twelve when the movie came out, so I didn't see it for another five years. But there was so much publicity about it in the newspapers and magazines that my parents (and even my dentist) had that I could get my fix.

Bonnie - she drove the getaway cars, had her own guns, a totally badass lady, and sexy as hell in those berets.
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That's great! Series can be tough. Last year I co-wrote a novel with an unpublishably high word count. I might consider that being something to post on the future blog, but only if i can figure out how to make it a more palatable length.

For me, I've found cowriting to be really helpful for accountability and brainstorming plot ideas and pushing through writing blocks. Solo writing is still a struggle and I'm much slower.


Thank you. Except for maybe one of them, I foresee these as being only ten or twelve chapters long.

How long is "an unpublishably high word count?" Infinite Jest length? On another site, somebody has thirty-six chapters and 340,000 words. It took her three years. Another guy claims to have forty-one chapters and 800,000 words. He did it in only two years.
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That IS the question. smile Some kind of writing blog; the kind that I write and no one reads. ;)

But seriously, thoughts, story ideas. Maybe actually stories. I haven't really decided. I've stumbled on a practice of devising story ideas almost daily, mostly as a tool to keep writer's block at bay. Sometimes sexy, sometimes serious or dark, and even sometimes gonzo and silly.


I've been publishing on sites for a couple of years now, but I hope to write some actual series, not just stand-alone stories. I'm trying my first one now, on another site. I've had groups of stories that are related (same characters appear, for example) but never a series with a true plot. I have ideas for maybe five or six, and it would take me a long time to do them all. I'm in no hurry, however.
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I guess I am kind of the reverse. I am simply continuing from now on at SOL, and probably going to not bother here to be honest.

I was aimed here by another author, so decided to come check it out. But waiting almost a week now for 2 stories to be authorized, I just realize it is not really worth my time to be honest.


Every site has its own characteristics and quirks. SOL only has room for fifty new stories before you need a premeir membership to keep reading. Thus the story is only on the free feed for about a week, The stories are still available for free by going in by the author's name, but I suspect few people do it that way. You can also do a category search, but you only get ten results unless you have the premier option.

New Literotica stories show up in the different categories. It takes them about four days or so to approve a story unless you are a new member. In that case, they scrutinize you more and it can take a week or so.

Lush Stories, like SOL, has a continuous feed for all new stories, but there seems to be no limit based on paid memberships. You can adjust it so that only one category is shown. It seems to take them about three days to approve a story.

On all of these sites, after about ten days - or even less - the number of views starts dropping off. Well, it's more like the votes and comments that are dropping off. Like here - or on Literotica - the views do keep drifting up, but it seems that fewer people are really reading them.
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Almost a year.




I didn't know about it when it happened. (I was a bit distracted around then.) Also, I didn't see any comments about it in the forums.
She passed on December 26. Stanley Kubrick upped her age from twelve in the novel to fourteen or fifteen for the film - and yet, it was still amazing that he got away with it. I think Lyon was actually fifteen at the premier, too young to see her own film.





Lyon with co-star James Mason.
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Well...! There goes that avenue to fame and money too, I guess.
-- You must be quite talented to actually make a living off your skills. Bravo!


The supply outstrips the demand. I've heard that there are a huge number of people who want to be screenwriters. They flock to L.A., among other places. Many Americans have never read a novel or short story, but almost all of them have seen movies and television shows. I suspect they believe that writing, and then selling, a script must be easier than it really is.

Thus talent agencies, movie studios, and so forth have huge slush piles of unsolicited screenplay manuscripts.
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I think George Orwell got it more or less right:

“Writing a book is a horrible, exhausting struggle, like a long bout with some painful illness. One would never undertake such a thing if one were not driven on by some demon whom one can neither resist nor understand.”


I thought of a novel once, but then I broke it into short stories (some of which are not on this site). If I string them into a series eventually, I'll have a novella, I guess. But I also have the flexibility of having overlapping series with some of the same characters but on varying timelines. I'm not locked into having a book that has only one plot.
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a nice hat & gloves???


I do like women who wear them. I have a couple of characters who do dress like that at times, sometimes with one or the other, but sometimes with both items.
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Dame Olivia de Haviland from "Robin Hood."


Olivia de Havilland passed away last month at the age of 104.
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If you want money and fame, be an actor or a singer.

Writing only makes you money if you can output one 'good' novel (100k word minimum,) every 4 to six months for years.


In any creative endeavor, a day job is likely a necessity - except for those at the very top. The odds of becoming even a moderately successful actor or singer are very much stacked against you. It's also, unless you're maybe a Helen Mirren, very much a young person's game. Probably the best bet for acting is to be a character actor, not shoot for stardom. Stardom is fleeting; remember Norma Desmond in Sunset Boulevard?
Writing a novel is a very heavy lift. I thought I was doing one about three years ago, but then I broke out some pieces of it and published them on another site as short stories.

Eventually, I started doing series over there that probably will consist of maybe ten chapters at most. Perhaps when they are done, each series will be a sort of novella. I haven't done word counts yet, but supposedly novellas have 17,000 to 40,000 words. I will certainly will be in that range. Whether they will truly be readable as a continuous story is something I'm not sure of yet. Maybe they'll be like Winesburg, Ohio, which Sherwood, Anderson called "a group of tales." There is a central character in that who is followed over the course of about fifteen years.
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Does this mean that we are going to get a 1960s comedy/horror fan fiction category on Lush?

I'll pass on Morticia. Goth chicks seem like they would be wild in bed, but they generally have a lot of issues (and usually a few terrible tattoos.)


Morticia was beyond Goth. Or to put it another way, other women played at it; Morticia just was Goth.
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I just made an account and I have so many ideas that I don't know where to start! Please please please send me some requests, fantasies, anything. Nothing is off limits as long as it follows the guide lines for Lush Stories.
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plus please message me and let's be friends


If you've got so many ideas that you don't know where to start, then actually you're in great shape. If you can, try working on two of them at once and see which one moves fastest. The second one should eventually catch up. I find that maybe 85 - 90% of the ideas I have eventually do result in a story - although sometimes it takes a while.
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So wanted to be her as a kid. I loved the house, the "flowers", her family but most of all, how much Gomez loved her and was not afraid to show it!!!




Not many truly passionate married couples on TV in those days. Not too many today, in fact.
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Survey your friends and followers and ask what it is that makes them keep coming back. I suspect it's the true story element, but I haven't read enough of your work to really suggest anything more.

I haven't fussed too much about popularity here. I know there is more I could do but I have limitations with my activity level here due to a need for discretion. I have a few Famous Stories and some other stories leaning that way (i.e. over 20K views) and I am fairly satisfied with that. I figure that someday I'll write a "best seller" (in Lush terms) but I'm not necessarily shooting for it.


Eventually, you have to write what you like and have the readers come to you. I know, Hollywood has test audiences and then will often recut a movie based on the results. They cut Bonfire of the Vanities that way and the movie still flopped. (Read The Devil's Candy for full details.)

Fortunately, as writers, we don't have millions of dollars on the line. And some of the best writers of all time broke the formulas and set their own rules.
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My cure for writer's block: write anyway. If it sucks (and it probably will at first) you can just delete it. If it doesn't suck, then hey, you've conquered your writer's block!


Don't delete anything, no matter how bad it may seem at first. Put it in "storage," so to speak. Eventually, you may find it does lead to something unexpected.
Who could forget Thing, played by "Itself?" It was such a simple concept, just a hand coming out of a box, yet they did so much to make it funny.
They got away with it in the 1960s, but Morticia projected a subtle - or maybe it wasn't so subtle - yet unabashed sexuality. Unlike other TV moms of the period, she was a true MILF, and she knew it. Gomez couldn't get enough of her.

She was kind too, like when she went as Lurch's date to the Butler's Ball.


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I began posting to the now all but defunct ASSTR about 20 years ago. I started posting on SOL in 2003 and LIT sometime after that. When I discovered Lush about a year ago, I decided to try it. Each site has its pluses and minuses.

I don't care about scoring and, although nice, comments aren't why I write. I write because I enjoy it.

Because I tend to write long stories, I find SOL works well for me. The site allows you to access multi-chapter stories from a single pane of glass. The turn around time is usually quick.

While I like Lush, I find not being able to post stories/chapters over 10K words frustrating. I have discovered many readers here prefer short stories, rather than novel-length tales. That said, I do like the community aspect of Lush. I have enjoyed the offerings of many very good writers and will continue to post and read here.

As for LIT, I can take it or leave it. As I said, all the sites have pluses and minuses.

As a writer, I feel it's important to know your audience and your venue. My long tales seem best received on SOL.


I've been spreading stories around on Literotica, Lush, and now SOL. I have a bit of a backlog recently, so I can go to another site instead of flooding one with too many submissions around the same time. I also have the option of rewriting old stories and posting them on another site.

This may seem a bit strange, but after 2+ years on Literotica (including the bulletin boards), I almost became too well-known there. I think they allow non-members to vote and comment, so one can get some over-the-top judgments. (I try not to care, but I sometimes do anyway.) On SOL, I can try some one-off stories that may be more experimental for me.
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I'm sure they're all nice girls, unless they are named Tonya Harding.


Actually, I meant how they looked! When I first saw them, Tonya Harding was not on the scene yet.
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377 E. Delaware St.

pretty sure it's still there, so if anyone comes across it...


What town, Tonawanda, East Deptford, etc.? Google Maps or Bing Maps should show it.
It was in a college newspaper office at Finley Hall, the former student center building of The City College of New York. Sadly, the place was demolished in 1985.

It wasn't with one of these girls. This photo was in 1947 when it was still owned by Manhattanville College of the Sacred Heart. Yep, a convent school back then. The office was later on the third floor, far left, above the portico.