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LakeShoreLimited
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It seems like this site used to be fairly laid-back, with fairly generous readers when it came to voting and comments. Lush still doesn't allow anonymous comments, does it? It was different from, say, Literotica, with its huge membership and large numbers of anonymous comments. From the very beginning, I saw the fangs come out over there at times. It took a thick-skin to publish there, although of course that doesn't apply to everyone who comments on that site.

It's a bit early to tell if this site is changing or not. I wonder if a lot of people left after the "re-launch" of the site in early September. It's very difficult to tell what is going on behind the scenes. I have gotten some hints from a few other members who were not happy with the results and were considering leaving or at least cutting back on their submissions. I know I almost "quit" (not literally cancel my membership) in September until another member helped me deal with certain issues about merely logging in, for example. (I had to talk to him on the Literotica forum to find out what was going on!)

I've noticed things change here of late. They have a way of doing some things that seem unfair to me. I like Lush because they gave me a start but I've also started writing somewhere else. So far I've managed to submit twenty stories. All were received very well. I use a different name so it feels like a fresh start. I will still stay with Lush and their sister site out of loyalty. It's sad but I was never made to feel a good fit here. I'm not sure my style of story telling is right for Lush. I may be wrong, it's just a feeling I get.

I'm not sure if Lush or any other site has a "style," per se. It's fine to spread things around and try different audiences; I certainly do it. From what I've seen of your work, it seems to "fit" here, although it's a bit hard to define what that means. I know you said it's more of a feeling than a specific complaint. It seems that there are various ways that authors work, and if one follows the rules of the site, then one should be okay. Lush can seem a bit intrusive at times, perhaps, as does Literotica too occasionally. I never felt, however, that they were treating me unfairly. I only got frustrated with them last month because some of the technical problems back then were so daunting.

Many of my stories involve a specific location and situation (like a job or school I've been involved with) but the plots are completely fictional. I have based a few characters on real people I've known, but I've made up most of what they say and do.

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Literotica seems pretty dead now. I posted a chapter there and a chapter there and on Literotica it got 700 views in 2 months. Here I had 4,000 views in the first few days.

Views can vary a lot according to various factors, including subject matter. Literotica is a pretty big site; I haven't really noticed a big fall-off yet. Something in "Reviews and Essays" (there is really no equivalent here) will generally get fewer views than fiction. Also, chapters in a series will generally go down as the series progresses. no matter where it is posted. I haven't done a close analysis of this, but for the most part Lush has fewer views overall. There can be anomalies, of course.

I started a series over there on October 12, and it's gotten ten-thousand views so far, which seems respectable. An earlier series I did there dropped off pretty steadily over the course of eight chapters. (I'm not one of those people who can write seventy chapters, although I have seen those.)

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I get 1's and 2's a lot lately. It looks a bit odd when you get over forty 4 & 5 stars and a single 1. They never have the guts to say who they are or why they did it. If my little scribblings are only worth 1 star to them their stories must be outstanding. Trouble is, they never let me see them. I just ignore them now. I get all my pleasure from the nice people who leave me encouragement in their comments.

It seems like this site used to be fairly laid-back, with fairly generous readers when it came to voting and comments. Lush still doesn't allow anonymous comments, does it? It was different from, say, Literotica, with its huge membership and large numbers of anonymous comments. From the very beginning, I saw the fangs come out over there at times. It took a thick-skin to publish there, although of course that doesn't apply to everyone who comments on that site.

It's a bit early to tell if this site is changing or not. I wonder if a lot of people left after the "re-launch" of the site in early September. It's very difficult to tell what is going on behind the scenes. I have gotten some hints from a few other members who were not happy with the results and were considering leaving or at least cutting back on their submissions. I know I almost "quit" (not literally cancel my membership) in September until another member helped me deal with certain issues about merely logging in, for example. (I had to talk to him on the Literotica forum to find out what was going on!)

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Oh yeah, I just looked at them on Amazon. I probably can get one or both at the library; the New York system will send it to your branch if they have it somewhere. I might buy one of them, but I hope to be moving eventually and I'm trying to cut down on the stuff I already have.



Ooh! a convert! Let me know what you think! Give Us a Kiss is really good too.

"He's as good a novelist as there is writing in this country. All the labels people try to attach to Woodrell—'country noirist' comes to mind—are laughable to anyone who understands what he's doing and how hard it is to do at his level. He is who he is—and he's a giant in my opinion—precisely because none of the labels quite apply. He writes high Greek tragedy about low people, and he never panders or looks down on the people he writes about. As a prose stylist, he's done what all the best do: taken the regional voice of the world he writes about and turned it into poetry. It's like he reached through the hard, cold Ozarks earth and pulled that voice back out with him." - Dennis Lehane

I admit, I've been a bit distracted by other things recently, and I haven't gotten any of those yet. But when I do, I'll let you know what I think.

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I only started writing this year and I’m not very good at it. I really have no idea what I’m doing. Unbelievably, some of my stories do quite well. For what it’s worth, I start with a picture. I look up royalty free pictures on Google until one speaks to me.

For example, my latest story features a pretty lady being undressed by a man. I tried to imagine how that came about. When I have a rough idea I write the last paragraph, the punch line. Next I write the opening paragraph, and then fill in all the gaps working backwards from the punch line.

As I’m not a very good writer I also like to keep them short. I don’t like to use swear words. I believe I’ve only ever used the “F” word twice in over fifty stories. This may be the reason I get quite a lot of one and two star votes. Thankfully most are three, four or five. Three and above is good for me.

My highest scoring story had over one hundred and forty votes, and that only had one “F” word in it. Again I wrote that story in the same way, picture first and so on and so on. All I know is it works for me. Basically, it's all about the picture for me.   

You don't have to always do lengthy stories to be a writer. Sometimes it's better to be concise. One can one can do a pretty good story in about 3,000 to 6,000 words I think. The same goes for chapters in a series; it may be better to keep those on the shorter side.

And the sheer number of chapters can make a difference. There is a guy on another site who has seventy-seven chapters already; I think there is another one with well over a hundred. Can they justify that? I don't know; I haven't attempted to read them yet!

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I'll tell you this..... This site is the most unappreciated, unthankful, censorious, uber-critical sites around. I've written many stories that have been accepted everywhere else but here. And I know they're good because of the feedback I've gotten. The reasons I've been given are those for a reputable piece for The Wall Street Journal or New York Times. I missed a comma? I mixed my past tense and present tense in one paragraph? I don't have enough paragraphs....Ask the pervert jerking off if he missed that comma. Or if this next sentence should have been a new paragraph?

I understand our gripes are a bit different Lurker, and my reply is to let you know that... what doesn't make it here, will be welcomed elsewhere. Actually, everywhere. I know because both the WSJ and the Times have published my gangbang stories many times. <------joke. Good Luck

I've only had online experience with three sites, all of them specializing in erotic stories. Lush is the only one that attempts to read and proof the whole submission; they have the staff (volunteers?) to do it. I guess I don't mind too much. There was one case here where they sent a story back and told me to get Grammarly, which wasn't such bad advice. (Grammarly does require some judgment calls; it's a program, not A.I. - at least not yet!) Lush did reject one story for content reasons. I didn't feel like rewriting it, so I posted it elsewhere.

Literotica gives it a cursory look - I think they have a single person trying to do it all. Yet sometimes they will send back a story for some reason anyway.

StoriesOnLine is pretty relaxed (that's where I put the story Lush rejected) and they seem to do nothing to review submissions. Usually it's posted within an hour or two. I suppose if one consistently flaunts their few rules - like by publishing stories with eight-year-old characters - they will eventually catch up with you, but that is mostly a guess.

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Oh, I just saw the new series management page. It has a little icon next to the series name. Should it be the newest at the top or the oldest? I guess that is my call. Now, if they could only deal with that white space under the story problem.


First story in the series at the top, flowing to the final story at the bottom.  When you link up a new one, it will always move to the bottom.  You can then move it as necessary from series management to put it in the proper chronological place.  A nice improvement over what we had.

Now, if only someone could tell me why some existing stories/chapters go straight through without moderation, while others go into the queue, when I'm doing the exact same thing to all of them — adding the series designation, and nothing else.

As a matter of fact, I've actually edited the moderator section on a few of them that went through without moderation, while I didn't change that section ( it still had an old moderator note saying I'm linking them as chapters that serves the purpose ) on some, and those hit the queue.

Baffling.

Not that this is new.  It happened when I was linking chapters under the old system as well.

I'm trying to wait at least a few hours after one goes into the queue and the minor change gets approved.  I have to click the new ( author ) series button once I submit each change to see if it went through or got stuck in the queue, because there's no difference in the prompt.  Thankfully, there's a "in review" notation on those that hit the queue within the series management, so I don't have to dig back through my story list to check.

They're still doing some baffling things, although maybe I'm getting used to it. I guess the new method of handling series is okay. I can't imagine what they are doing with moderating stories; I have't had enough experience yet with it. They did do something weird this morning. I had a rejected story I had left there from before the changeover. I'm not sure why I still had it - maybe as a reminder of where I've been. Then they moved it to the top of the published section - why? - so I just deleted it.

By the way, stories in moderation used to be at the end of the list; now they are at the top.

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Seems there is quite a lot of stumbling happening in transition. My needs are so simple the transition has happened almost without notice. The only complaint I would bring up is that there seems to be a “rougher” group of people.

I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but they may have been caught with inadequate time to prepare - something about the servers they were renting becoming unavailable. I don't even remember where I read that.


A rougher group of people - do you mean the moderators or the readers?

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I like to think I have oblique dialogue down to a fine art. smile

The plot/mood thing is a pain in my side. I'm drawn to situations and characters (not exactly mood, but close enough), and I struggle to come up with a reasonable plot, because plots don't interest me as much. Who plots DO interest is readers and publishers, so I have been forcing myself to write out the plot, in caps, beforehand, to assure myself the thing really is going somewhere. I give myself permission to change the plot if I come up with something better, but I've got to write that down too. I'm forcing myself to choose plot over mood. I won't even BEGIN anymore until I've got a plot. It's frustrating, but I need to address my weaknesses.

I think most dialogue - let's say conversation - among people has to be a bit oblique, in both fiction and the real world, or we'd be like Jim Carrey in Liar, Liar. An extreme example, but instructive anyway:


Max Reede: My teacher tells me beauty is on the inside.

Fletcher: That's just something ugly people say.


I agree. Real life dialogue has so many false starts and assumptions and misunderstandings and evasions. I'd think a transcript of real life would be nearly unreadable. Trying to ape those conventions ends up sounding kinda stylized (think Elmore Leonard or David Mamet) than realistic, but I usually appreciate the attempt. Logical, linear conversations that go from A to B to C always sound stilted to me. 

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I like to think I have oblique dialogue down to a fine art. :)

The plot/mood thing is a pain in my side. I'm drawn to situations and characters (not exactly mood, but close enough), and I struggle to come up with a reasonable plot, because plots don't interest me as much. Who plots DO interest is readers and publishers, so I have been forcing myself to write out the plot, in caps, beforehand, to assure myself the thing really is going somewhere. I give myself permission to change the plot if I come up with something better, but I've got to write that down too. I'm forcing myself to choose plot over mood. I won't even BEGIN anymore until I've got a plot. It's frustrating, but I need to address my weaknesses.

I think most dialogue - let's say conversation - among people has to be a bit oblique, in both fiction and the real world, or we'd be like Jim Carrey in Liar, Liar. An extreme example, but instructive anyway:


Max Reede: My teacher tells me beauty is on the inside.

Fletcher: That's just something ugly people say.


I agree. Real life dialogue has so many false starts and assumptions and misunderstandings and evasions. I'd think a transcript of real life would be nearly unreadable. Trying to ape those conventions ends up sounding kinda stylized (think Elmore Leonard or David Mamet) than realistic, but I usually appreciate the attempt. Logical, linear conversations that go from A to B to C always sound stilted to me. 

I've seen some of those documentaries that Frederick Wiseman did - he'd film rather long stretches of real life dialogue at various institutions. ("High School" was one of his early ones.) It's true that I was listening, not reading a transcript, but it seemed that most of the people shown were relatively articulate. Of course, he did edit his movies, but he would let people go on for several minutes if I remember correctly. Unfortunately, I can only find fragments of them on-line and it has been a long time since I've seen any of them. 

Writing dialogue as we attempt to do has to walk a fine line between being shaped by us and also seeming realistic. I can't explain how to do it, but I know it when I see it. By the way, the one television version of a David Mamet play (Glengarry Glen Ross) that I've seen didn't seem that stilted to me.

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I have noticed that since the new Lush there are on my profile there are three copies of my photo .  Is there a way to delete or remove the duplicates ???


Of course there is. See that little black triangle balancing on its apex, top right of your picture? Touch it and all will become clear.

Okay, now I get it. I didn't realize you had to be in "media view," not "profile view" to access it. Thanks!
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People can be quite quirky in their judgments and motivation for them. A while ago now, I had a gentleman who read my micros and always left a very nice laudatory comment. He also only voted them a 4. His perfect right, of course, but I was curious and asked why. "You do quite well at it, my dear, but women are simply incapable of writing excellent erotica." Apparently, my asking was also some sort of proof, as he hasn't commented and voted on a story since. So now I have a nice collection of pieces with a single 4 vote and, since I never get 20 votes on anything, my average remains where it is. Because I am female.
Ugh. Smh. I don't even have the words to describe how outraged and pissed off I would have felt if a guy had given me that answer. That is some truly disgusting shit. 
First of all, there is something off about leaving a vote and then explaining why one did it. It's the kind of thing you often see on Literotica where "one-bombers" feel the need to confess (usually anonymously) their opinions. Just leave the vote and go away.


Secondly, his condescension ("my dear"?) - or just plain snottiness - needs no further comment. By the way, did you look? What has he written that is so excellent?

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NicolasBelvoir:  Thanks for linking that story, I have just fixed it.


WYSWIYG preview:  In terms of stories there shouldn't really be a need as it will look the same as in the editor, with forum posts the external media look different however these are previewed when added.


Source editor:  I would imagine that anyone capable of reading and writing HTML would also know how to use the browser developer tools?  Having said that outside of the current white space bug I can't see a need to edit the HTML directly.


We are currently planning to stick with using series to link stories as having multiple ways generates confusion.  In terms of comp entries, I would have to check with the powers that be.... but I can't see any reason you couldn't add it to a series after the competition has closed?  Using the new series management page you can then re-order the stories any way you would like.

Thanks Dan, I sort of get most of what you are talking about.  The WYSWIYG preview on my drafts mode still shows the white space, so I guess I should hold off submitting it for a week or two until that bug is fixed?


I do know some HTML, and on another site I put it in manually. There are only about three I really use: italics, bold, and links (to other stories on the site). The browser development tools? I usually do this in Chrome, and I don't see why I would ever use those inside of Lush. I don't think I have ever needed to use them anywhere.


The new series management page? I didn't even know it existed. Is it pretty easy to find, I assume?


Oh, I just saw the new series management page. It has a little icon next to the series name. Should it be the newest at the top or the oldest? I guess that is my call. Now, if they could only deal with that white space under the story problem.
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I have noticed that since the new Lush there are on my profile there are three copies of my photo .  Is there a way to delete or remove the duplicates ???

Yes, I was wondering about that too. Actually, I may want to remove all of the photos.
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I've submitted two stories under Lush 2.0, and am working on a third. I'm having two, massive problems with the process.

I write my stories in MS Word until they are in semi-final form, then copy and paste them into Lush's story entry thing. The problems are:

The vertical line spacing does not work. If I simply cut and paste, I get an irregular mishmash of single and double spacing. I have had to go back into the Lush story editor, and manually delete and re-enter EVERY SINGLE CARRIAGE RETURN. This is particularly true with dialogue, which the most recent two stories have in abundance.

The other problem is that neither bolding nor italicizing transfer from Word to Lush, which, again, means I have to go back and re-do every single instance of such.

These are both major pains in the ass, and I would very much appreciate it if they were fixed.

Thanks

This is a good example of the inconsistencies happening here. Line spacing (from MS Word) is one thing that I haven't had trouble with.  I always put the italics or bold in within Lush (or whatever site it may be) so I have no idea if that works or not for me. (Maybe I should try it as an experiment.) In the post above this one, there are indications of a new submissions editor (I think that is what he means), so let's hope that one is better.
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NicolasBelvoir:  Thanks for linking that story, I have just fixed it.


WYSWIYG preview:  In terms of stories there shouldn't really be a need as it will look the same as in the editor, with forum posts the external media look different however these are previewed when added.


Source editor:  I would imagine that anyone capable of reading and writing HTML would also know how to use the browser developer tools?  Having said that outside of the current white space bug I can't see a need to edit the HTML directly.


We are currently planning to stick with using series to link stories as having multiple ways generates confusion.  In terms of comp entries, I would have to check with the powers that be.... but I can't see any reason you couldn't add it to a series after the competition has closed?  Using the new series management page you can then re-order the stories any way you would like.

Thanks Dan, I sort of get most of what you are talking about.  The WYSWIYG preview on my drafts mode still shows the white space, so I guess I should hold off submitting it for a week or two until that bug is fixed?


I do know some HTML, and on another site I put it in manually. There are only about three I really use: italics, bold, and links (to other stories on the site). The browser development tools? I usually do this in Chrome, and I don't see why I would ever use those inside of Lush. I don't think I have ever needed to use them anywhere.


The new series management page? I didn't even know it existed. Is it pretty easy to find, I assume?



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Usually the mod tells you whats wrong. I also suggest you dont mix genres. If you are writing it should be in the genre for example.

It's interesting that on this site it's called " Fantasy." Isn't it already a fantasy because it's a story? Or do they mean that a character within the story is having a fantasy about it? (A fantasy within a fantasy?)


between blood relatives doesn't interest me at all. But other sites have numerous stories about sexual relations between relatives. (Mother-son couplings seem particularly popular.) Just wondering what the category means.

It’s just the site clinging to a false narrative for legalistic reasons, like pretending that no teen has any knowledge of sex until they turn 16. It is clearly and knowingly a false narrative because there are entire series in the fantasy category that ARE presented as true life stories.
I sort of get that too, although Jen above claims that's not quite the case. Sites that restrict content in some way aren't "pretending" such things never happen; instead they are saying that they do happen, but "we are not letting you write about it." Fair enough, it's their site.  I haven't run into any supposedly true stories on Lush (I don't have knowledge of all 60,000 or so stories on here) but I'm pretty sure they exist on other sites.
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We don't accept stories that claim to be true in that category.

I get it, although most erotic stories I've read either imply that the plot is fictional or if they are based on reality, the writer won't say that. Of course, a few writers do admit that their work is based on a real event. The one time I did write such a story, I put it in the "True" category and tried to render is as accurately as possible.
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Usually the mod tells you whats wrong. I also suggest you dont mix genres. If you are writing it should be in the genre for example.

It's interesting that on this site it's called " Fantasy." Isn't it already a fantasy because it's a story? Or do they mean that a character within the story is having a fantasy about it? (A fantasy within a fantasy?)


between blood relatives doesn't interest me at all. But other sites have numerous stories about sexual relations between relatives. (Mother-son couplings seem particularly popular.) Just wondering what the category means.

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There was a rollout today to address the word count and blank space issue. Please let me know if there are still issues with it, other than the usual discrepancies that always exist in counters around the treatment of some special characters and page dividers etc.



My "Nude Beach Lesbians" story still has the white space issue. 
I just looked at your story and it still has the white space issue. That's the first published story I've seen with it. Strange how inconsistent things can be here.. Will the site fix it if it has already been published?.

Hey, I thought the site was going to fix all that white space that appears under a story when it's in "preview mode" or whatever that is called. I thought that stage was supposed to show what the story will look like when it's published. Is that white space going to be there or not? I haven't seen it in the published stories I have looked at so far, 

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I just submitted on Stories Space and maybe I need to try it here, but I found it went pretty smoothly now. The two are supposed to be roughly in lockstep in terms of development of features like stories and forums that are shared.


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Ideally, the stories with the moderator should be at the top, like they used to be, not at the end. But we'll have to see if that issue is eventually resolved.
Meh. As long as it is consistent. On the old site I had weirdness where a new story I was editing was stuck somewhere in the middle rather than being at top or bottom. Having the unapproved stories at the bottom and the unpublished ones in their own area seems much better than what we had before.
It's a mixed bag. Having separate categories for published and unpublished is a good idea. However, you can't change the order in which they are presented. Not a deal-breaker, however.
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Despite the difficulties/problems I think that I have had seven stories published since the changeover and the one that I am working on now seems to be going to plan. As I said, I had problems with tags yesterday and I will probably not put an Authors Note on the story because it is not essential. I do not often put a note on my stories and this one was going to be mostly because it is my 200th.


Two-hundred? Congratulations! That takes some real dedication to writing.

Thank you.

Yes, 200 in a comparatively short space of time as the first one on here was in late April 2020.

I also have 211 on another site although about a dozen of them are the same story in a slightly different form, not exact copies.


I have now submitted that (potential) 200th story, complete with an Authors Note.



Wow, it would think it would take six or seven years to get that many on a single site. Plus the other site - even with the dupes, that'is around four-hundred. 
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I like to think I have oblique dialogue down to a fine art. smile

The plot/mood thing is a pain in my side. I'm drawn to situations and characters (not exactly mood, but close enough), and I struggle to come up with a reasonable plot, because plots don't interest me as much. Who plots DO interest is readers and publishers, so I have been forcing myself to write out the plot, in caps, beforehand, to assure myself the thing really is going somewhere. I give myself permission to change the plot if I come up with something better, but I've got to write that down too. I'm forcing myself to choose plot over mood. I won't even BEGIN anymore until I've got a plot. It's frustrating, but I need to address my weaknesses.

I think most dialogue - let's say conversation - among people has to be a bit oblique, in both fiction and the real world, or we'd be like Jim Carrey in Liar, Liar. An extreme example, but instructive anyway:


Max Reede: My teacher tells me beauty is on the inside.

Fletcher: That's just something ugly people say.


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The site is constantly being fiddled with by the programmers; it seems to change almost from day to day. They should have figured out all of this before going to a new platform, but they didn't have the time. It does seem to be slowly getting better, but they have a ways to go yet. It may never be as good as the previous version. I have one story in drafts, but I'm not going to submit it until more time goes by. Maybe you should wait it out too and see how the site develops. I'm on two other sites so I have some place else to go while this shakes out. 


Despite the difficulties/problems I think that I have had seven stories published since the changeover and the one that I am working on now seems to be going to plan. As I said, I had problems with tags yesterday and I will probably not put an Authors Note on the story because it is not essential. I do not often put a note on my stories and this one was going to be mostly because it is my 200th.


Two-hundred? Congratulations! That takes some real dedication to writing.
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Mood all day long, Luca! I'm more of a feeler than a thinker. I love a read that's a full sensory wonderland. You and WannabeWordsmith come to mind when I think of stories like that. 


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I was listening to Conner Habib talking on a podcast last night.


 As well as being a porn actor, he is an engaging conversationalist and also teaches writing workshops.

On the show, he was waxing lyrical about the novelist Joy Williams.

I've posted a link to the short essay he has written on her (below).

https://connerhabib.com/tag/joy-williams/


I've never read her but intend to do so now.


What I found interesting was what he had to say about plot, mood, and dialogue.

I am rehashing from memory now.

In dialogue, people do not respond to what is said to them; they reply with the thoughts their interlocutor's words have elicited in them.

He says dialogue should be oblique, somehow off the mark.

As to plots.

For the literary-inclined writer, plotting a storyline is what you do to allow your unique prose style to flourish. Events that move a plot along are incidental, mere posts to attach the threads of your prose to as you trace and enwind your way.

He is talking about "mood" in writing. He is talking about the kind of writing I like to think I practise.

Of course, everyone who comes to the craft has unique ambitions, differ in what they want to achieve.


Many readers probably enjoy the intricacies of a good plot, don't want prose as art.


Hence, the posting of this question here on lush.

What do you prefer as a reader/writer: Mood or plot?

And I know, I know  —an intriguing plot full of atmosphere.


Everyone, readers and writers, feel free to add your own remarks below about style and plot.


As you suggested yourself, both are important. I'll have to think a bit more about dialogue being oblique; that is an interesting question.


Another element: the setting. When and where is this happening? I usually use times and places I know myself, because I know how people thought and acted there. I wouldn't set a story in France because I have no first-hand knowledge of it. I had trouble even with Los Angeles, because it's been years since I've been there.

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And I've just submitted a story too — and it did not seem like before.


I usually get a message saying it has been submitted and is waiting to be verified. As far as I can see, it has completely vanished!


It's in the queue fine. Stories awaiting verification usually drop to the bottom of your published list awaiting a published date, at which point they will return to the top. Check on page 8 and it will hopefully be there smile

Just a quickie related to this - I have 16 pages of stories, and currently you have to click through them one page at a time to get to the end. It would be helpful to be able to scroll through them all on one page.


On a PC, at the bottom of the partial list, it says 'Page x of y' 

You can actually overtype the 'x' with the page number you want. Then hit Enter. 

Hardly perfect, but it might save you some time.



Ideally, the stories with the moderator should be at the top, like they used to be, not at the end. But we'll have to see if that issue is eventually resolved.
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Once again, I am having considerable maddness submitting a story. It is, surprise, a Micro. I composed it in UltraEdit as pure plain text. The word count was 100 and I counted it manually just to be sure. Pasted into Lush, it showed at 115. Okay, fine. I added a cautionary note to the Mods about the count and submitted. When the story showed, it had a full paragraph inserted after the first line, 10 lines of blank paragraph code entered after, and the word count was over 140.

I can live with the wacky word count, but the paragraph is not happening -- it's my story, not some damn algorithm's. And last time, I got emails from people who didn't bother to leave comments or vote because there were five screens of blank following. I don't get many comments as it is, never even broke 20 after 155 tries. It hurts enough without this.

I mentioned this to someone else - after a month, the site is still being developed. It changes constantly. You should probably wait it out - like another month? - before trying to submit anything. Otherwise, it's like banging your head against a wall. I'm on two other sites, so I can submit there while waiting for Lush to fix these problems. The huge blank space after some stories - they claim to be working on that. The weird thing is that different members have different experiences with submissions and so forth. 
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Mother-in-law worked for me, although I had to "create" it as a new tag. I don't see that white space on the couple of published stories I checked. Ideally, the "preview" mode - I think that's what I'd call it - should show the story exactly as it will appear when published. The series titles don't show the previous story in preview mode, but rather the one before it - two stories back, in other words. The old "checkbox" method of linking stories in a series was better, but I don't think that is coming back.

I went back into the saved draft this morning and deleted the existing tags (those that I was sort of forced into yesterday). I have now successfully created the tags that I originally wanted. I do not believe that I was doing anything incorrectly yesterday but the (then) inability to create the tags that I wanted was frustrating.
The site is constantly being fiddled with by the programmers; it seems to change almost from day to day. They should have figured out all of this before going to a new platform, but they didn't have the time. It does seem to be slowly getting better, but they have a ways to go yet. It may never be as good as the previous version. I have one story in drafts, but I'm not going to submit it until more time goes by. Maybe you should wait it out too and see how the site develops. I'm on two other sites so I have some place else to go while this shakes out. 
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one of my fav. starts to one of mine. smile

Beside us raced the hurricane. 140 mph of sheer twisted speed, barely able to keep up with the rented Corvette we’d picked up in Toledo, let alone my amphetamine fueled brain. Under the dashboard was enough acid and ecstasy to turn an entire nation of jihad spouting Islamists into black-eyed love monkeys. Wrapped up in tinfoil and enough duct tape to open our own OSH to keep those drug sniffing bastard Nazis commonly known as german shepherds at bay. Not even my sharp nosed companion could spot the scent over the stink of dog sweat and urine that permeated the vinyl seats of the rental car, neither as strong as the stench of desolation that had driven spikes into our brains via our nostrils.


I think you were channelling Hunter S. Thompson, lol.
Yes, sprite, have you read Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas? I wish I still had a copy, but I don't any longer.  I think the first line is, "We were just past Barstow when the drugs took hold." And its a rented Chevrolet too, but I think it's a full-sized 1971 convertible. He definitely inventories all of the alcohol and drugs he has stashed in the car. And he hates all drug warriors. I've never seen the movie though. I would be difficult to render Thompson's understated descriptions of truly bizarre activities. Yet, I don't think there is any sex in the book.