Quote by Ironic

They're trash.

If those stats were worthwhile, somebody would have been able to defend them.

That's not happened yet.

Quote by ElCoco

And you can't defend the statistics. No surprise.

lol

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Ironic, and Chryses have already shown those statistics are trash.

lol, and will you be pretending to be a woman to publicly flirt with Ironic again? That was awesome.

Quote by ElCoco

It's starting to look like you're agreeing the fix is in. Now you're just asking how long it's been in.

The answer is... Since Ford, no incumbent president has debated in the primaries since Ford. 50 years.

Quote by ElCoco

Of course, what?

Third time's the charm!

Are you using the statistics from your linked article?

Yes, I'd rather use those real stats than the ones you make up in your head.

So.... Why are you statistically more likely to be murdered in a red state?

Quote by ElCoco

Right. The fix is in.

For how long has the fix been in? lol

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So, let me ask again. Are you talking about your linked article?

So you're going prone... of course.

And sure. Now, why are you statically more likely to be murdered in a red state?

Quote by ElCoco

That’s fair about her, and I've already commented about her lack of experience, but the fix I was talking about is the decision not to schedule debates at all. After all, Biden’s not the only Democrat running for that office.

Incumbent presidents don't debate in primaries... You didn't know that? lol

Quote by ElCoco

I don't know about statically, but are you talking about your linked article?

I made a typo, very good catch. I'll fix it.

Ok but why are you statistically more likely to be murdered in a red state?

Ok, go prone now.

Quote by ElCoco

No. I’m responding to your post

Ok but why are you statically more likely to be murdered in a red state?

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It’s good to read you think sprite is talking about what I’m talking about.

And ElCoco goes prone.

Here is Gavin Newsom completely ass-slamming Hannity on his own show about California misinformation Hannity spreads.

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1669385357152878597

Quote by Ironic

It's also interesting that the numbers (rates and dates ) changed when the murder count from the county containing the largest city was excluded.

Careful Ironic, ElCoco might try to trick you into cybersex again. Remember how betrayed you felt when he did that to you before.

Quote by noll

He's probably convinced that he actually fed everyone, and that it was the best feast they'd ever had.

Wannabe dictator Biden probably called Trump's bank and made his card get declined. Trump is innocent.

This is just so perfect 😘🤌

Trump supporters left empty-handed after he promised 'food for everyone' at Miami's Versailles: report

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-florida-indictment/

According to a report from Laine Doss of the Miami New Times, aides and supporters of Donald Trumpwalked away hungry after his visit to the popular Versailles Café in Miami's Little Havana following his arraignment on conspiracy and Espionage Act charges on Tuesday.

The former president made a highly-publicized stop at the cafe after pleading not guilty before a Florida magistrate where he was serenaded by fans with "Happy Birthday" the day before his birthday and he proclaimed "food for everyone" to the cheering crowd.

As Doss of the Miami New Times is reporting, not so much as a crumb was served up on the former president's dime.

Rural America Reels From Violent Crime. ‘People Lost Their Ever-Lovin’ Minds.’

https://icmglt.org/rural-america-reels-from-violent-crime-people-lost-their-ever-lovin-minds/

local prosecutor Rebecca McCoy used to think of her home in central Arkansas as a place where the worst crimes were usually stolen tractors and lawn mowers.

In March 2020, she was called to the trailer of a 72-year-old man who had  been bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat. It was White County’s first homicide in almost two years. By that December, there were 11 more...

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That is what the 23% (before adjustment) or the 12% (after adjustment) greater-murder-rate-in-red-states-than-blue-states result would have one believe.

My example shows that the claim is groundless.

You are mistaken.

Plus you're not posting on topic. The topic is "why are red states more murderous?"

Can you please contribute to the topic..

Quote by Chryses

Ironic hit the nail on the head.

The analysis purports to tease out of the data political predispositions towards murder.

At its base (when excluding the murders from only one of the cities), it combines whatever differences there may be between Democrat and Republican tendencies in all the other cities.

If the goal is to distinguish assumed different predispositions between Democrats and Republicans to murder, then those groups should be measured.

Those different groups were not measured in the red states.

So in order to be clear, you're saying you need to gerrymander the data until it looks like red states are safer despite what the actual real facts are?

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You are correct. The procedure mixes Democratic and Republican predispositions towards murder.

For example:

Take a red state.

Each state has N counties. For this example, set N = 12

Each county has a county seat. The county seat is usually the largest city in the county. If that is not true in a county, then another city is the largest city in the county.

The larger the city, the more likely it is to have a Democratic administration. For this example, set P = .66

In the example, this produces twelve cities, the largest city in each of the twelve counties.

With P = .66, there can be expected eight cities with Democratic administrations and four with Republican administrations.

If the murder rate is different between Democrat and Republican run cities, excluding only the murder count from the county with the largest city - as documented in the linked article - whatever the difference was (R>D or D>R) will be intermixed with the non-city murder rate.

The procedure in the linked article fails to compare apples to apples.

Alabama has the highest rate in the country per capita. It skyrockets further when you remove the big cities from the equation.

Quote by AngelEthics

And meth use. People in the countryside are bored and depressed.

In cities too but when you have millions of people in one spot you get a place like skid row for example but if you look at it per capita, it's less than in rural areas. But of course it's easy to just show a group of a dozen people getting high in an alleyway and just go "look, the democrat run cities are cesspools".

It's easier for propagandists to do that than show all the reasons why it's so wonderful to live in a town of 2,000 people than say a city with millions of people. The city will drastically have more quality of life features than a small town in the middle of nowhere so they chose to lie about crime, drug use etc.

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What is that flaw? That they didn't exclude enough of a red state to make homicide rates on a par with blue states?

The flaw is that they didn't gerrymander the data lol

Quote by Ironic

I didn't say they just excluded one city in the study,

So that's something you just made up.

You did say that.... I think you're confused Ironic.

Gun Violence in Rural America

While politicians and the media have largely focused their attention on gun violence in large cities, rural communities continue to see a rise in gun-related deaths.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-in-rural-america/

As gun violence continues to fuel violent crime across the nation, some conservative politicians are not only refusing to support commonsense gun violence prevention measures but are also actively rolling back gun laws that help make our communities safer. Many of these same elected officials continue to perpetuate the narrative that gun violence is only a problem in urban, Democrat-led cities, and media outlets are skewing the public perspective by heavily focusing on gun violence in cities such as Chicago. The truth, however, is that rural communities—particularly in red states—have increasingly faced levels of gun violence that match or outpace urban areas.

New York City Is a Lot Safer Than Small-Town America

Rising homicide rates don’t tell the whole story. When you dig deeper into data on deaths, you'll find the more urban your surroundings, the less danger you face.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-06-07/is-new-york-city-more-dangerous-than-rural-america#xj4y7vzkg

Quote by AngelEthics

I also assumed it was one city per state, but you're right. It doesn't say that.

Also it's interesting to note that the suicide rate is higher in rural areas than urban areas.

Quote by Ironic

If the 5 largest cities in the state are Democratic-controlled, and only the largest one is excluded, the effect of the next 4 will be included as if they were Republican (red).

I've shown that's not necessarily the only thing left.

Man, this kid has too much crayon wax in his system.

They don't just exclude one city in the study, that's just something you're making up. It clearly states excluding "cities", that's plural. City also has a technical definition.

Quote by Ironic

Since this thirdway analysis is political, it's likely to be sensitive to the political makeup of what is and isn't excluded from the number crunching.

Big cities are usually Democratic cities.

The blue/red difference is almost halved when we remove the largest city from the data in red states.

What would happen to the blue/red difference if we removed the Democratic-controlled locations instead of removing the state's largest city?

You've embarrassed yourself again, Ironic.

Quote by AngelEthics

It didn't break it down by regions within the states.

In the report I posted it literally says this.

"Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed."

Just in case any attempt to obfuscate the facts is going on by ElCocko ;)

They got Kompromat on the sketch artist.

Quote by ElCoco

Newsom is only 55.

Who do you think is more hot? Newsom or RFK Jr?