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hmmmm Just noticed something new, a first to be more exact!Wear it with pride, you deserve it.
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Thank you. I will. ;)

from: Screenwriting Column 08, by Terry Rossio
Consider Raisers of the Lost Ark. Indiana Jones is perhaps the greatest action hero in the history of the movies, and in his debut film he flat-out fails from beginning to end.
• He loses the golden idol.
• Marian is kidnapped and he's unable to rescue her.
• He finds the Ark, but it is immediately taken.
• His bluff to destroy the Ark is called, and he gets recaptured.
• He can't even look upon the Ark when it is opened.
• And the government ends up with his long sought-after and much suffered-for prize.
This guy's an action hero?
Yup, because he fails so damn impressively from start to finish. Indy fails so well in fact, the audience is impressed as hell, and hardly aware of the fact that he's failing. The defeats are just setbacks that create more opportunities for heroism. As an added benefit, Indy wins the audience's sympathy -- the poor guy's trying so hard, you can't help but root for him.
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My context for understanding what publications want ... is grant writing. ... So, same story, different milieu.
My question to you, Ms. M, is this: would you rather be doing anything else than writing, even though you must jump through Their hoops?
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... realising what people want and if you want to make a commercial success out of any type of art then you need to be aware of what your audience wants... ...if you are also doing it to please others, especially those unknown to you then you have to trust the editors etc of the world.. After all that is their job and they know far better than most writers do what the public want...
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Maybe we should create a random plot generator? Just for fun.
That might be amusing if we had enough contributions per category.![]()
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And this, in all honesty, is why, when asked why i don't try to get some of my stuff published, is the reason. i am ALL too aware of how much like WORK it is and, in the end, i'd end up hating what i love to do.
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Brilliant, no nonsense, real world advice.
It's Great and it's Fun that we like to write, But commercially that's the least important factor.
(I work as a Music Critic. I can't count the times that I've heard stunningly beautiful creations from bands THAT YOU JUST KNOW WON'T MAKE IT -- Commercially.)
After a lifetime in journalism I'm working on a fictional historical novel. Every word Morgan writes both educates and frightens me! But she does speak the truth....
xx SF
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Editor n. ('e-de-ter, rhymes with predator)...an occupation where someone is allowed to take a story an author has worked on for hours to get right, and change it as they see fit, presumably for no other purpose than to annoy the author. From an old Latin term meaning "Devil person from Hell"...
...My questions...is this normal? Do they feel like they own your butt because they are paying you and therefore can do whatever they want to your story without the author's consent???
One misapprehension that the editor is out to hack, twist, trash, or otherwise fold, spindle, and mutilate your work. The true job of an editor is to take what you have and make it the best it can be, not to rewrite it in their own image and likeness. Spelling, grammar and sentence structure are standard, as is consistency.
You may get a manuscript back marked with enough red to illustrate the St. Valentine's Massacre, and still find not all that much is changed, as far as the true heart of your work: the story.
An editor doesn't bake the cake, just decorates it.
Unfortunately, not all editors know their role.
-- Some want to rewrite a story in a way they like, regardless of author's voice. Others fail to understand the author's world building, and end up literally destroying the carefully wrought storyline. Still more take on the role with a minimum of training and experience, and end up putting in more mistakes than they take out.
Usually because of a bad experience such as this, the author goes into the publishing world mistrusting the editor, and the relationship is doomed from the start.
The trick is knowing the difference between a professional edit, and the evil alternative.
Editing can seem traumatic...
-- You just handed over your baby, and when you get that book back, you feel like you've been attacked. Sentences you labored over have been hash-marked. The quaint turn of phrase you spent a good amount of time getting just so has been designated "too passive", and there is a detailed note attached asking you all sorts of inane questions you thought were made perfectly clear in line 18 of page four.
What would bring an otherwise kind person to perform such brutality?
Oddly enough, they're doing it to help you.
-- If a publisher signs you, they think you have a good bit of writing that the public may enjoy. So their goal is to put out a book that people will want to spend money on.
Now, no matter how good you and your crit group are, things will be missed. That's the editor's job.
-- What seems perfectly clear and right to you after fifty readings may not be so to a reader during their first. A certain turn of phrase may read as offensive, or it may just not fit the image the house wants to project.
And of course, two words to strike fear in any wordsmith's heart: House Style.
-- Every publisher has their own style, terminology, and formatting methods. Which, in most cases, is nothing like yours. But the end result is not intended to send you into a fit of weeping and bosom-rending, but merely to create a marketable product.
If it's not about the money, or you think your misspellings are creative, and should be left in for emphasis, or you truly fear the evil editor, don't go to a publisher.
Insane advice? No, self-preservation.
-- You're better off going to a vanity press, or simply doing it yourself, because all it will result in is bad blood between you and the publisher.
If you sign their contract, you are in essence agreeing to do it their way. If you don't like their way, don't sign the contract.
And yes, an ebook publisher is a real publisher.
And a contract is a contract.
Going to an ebook publisher is not a "last resort."
-- It also does not mean you get the right to do or say whatever you like. An epublisher commands the same respect as any other.
If Doubleday signed you:
* Would you argue with and/or insult the editor?
* Would you ask the publisher after they spent hours editing and putting your book up for sale to dissolve your contract because you want to go to another publisher?
* More important, would they?
Straight up answer is no, on all counts. You wouldn't do it, and they wouldn't take it. So keep that in mind when you make your decision.
Stefani V. Kelsey
EIC (Editor in Chief) Mojo Castle Books
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I love the dogged practicalness and clarity of your words, Ms. M. Thanks.
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Amazingly clear and well worded advice.... Applicable to ALL writers of fiction, not just Eroticists...
Thank You, Morgan... xx SF