Roses are red
But they would not be here
Without the dirt at their roots
That feeds them all year
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Sometimes love and passion take a relationship to a point where the brain never wanted to go to. When that happens, there comes a moment when that battle between "heart" and "brains" reaches a decision, and it's not always the heart that wins. Perhaps that's what happened to him.
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Quote by Jack_42Of course Europe wasn't as free as before the war. The allied forces controlled Europe and occupied Germany and its allies, as was agreed at the Yalta conference. Formally though, all the European countries regained sovereignty over their own territory after a while, the countries in the USSR's sphere of influence too. The latter became allies of the Soviet Union, just like the rest of Europe became allies of the USA. But the war was over by then, lost by the Axis and won by the Allied Forces. And by 1990 the influence of Russia over "its" part of Europe was rapidly collapsing, the Soviet Union was disintegrating and Comecon and the Warsaw pact effectively ceased to exist. Hardly the fate of a winner.
What's the above got to do with the issue under debate? We all know there were sacrifices in the process of the war it doesn't alter the fact that the Russians won. And why all this peculiar mixture of sentimental flag waving and obscenities? Everything I've said is true you respond with raw emotion as though you hate the idea of accepting the reality. Prove to me by consulting history books that Europe was as free at the end of the war as it was before the war began and you have credibility otherwise you're just mouthing useless epithets.
By the way all of this is a digression from my original point (I did not bring up WWII) which was you can't make Donald Trump a scapegoat but should take responsibility about him rather than whine. And this does not mean I support him he was an obvious bad choice long before the election but it seemed the majority still thought he was a good choice so either live with it or do something about it rather than burble on about the latest proof of his unsuitability. (This is just a general statement and a return to the original issue and not directed specifically at HeraTeleia)
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Quote by Jack_42A pact which Hitler later violated, just like Stalin violated the Yalta agreement by not letting the countries his army had liberated from the nazis democratically choose the (type of) government their peoples wanted. But that happened well after WWII ended. It didn't make Russia the sole winner of WWII. That war was won by a coalition of forces from many nations, of which Russia was only one.
Yes you're quite right I meant the non aggression pact as follows.
On August 23, 1939–shortly before World War II (1939-45) broke out in Europe–enemies Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union surprised the world by signing the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact, in which the two countries agreed to take no military action against each other.
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Quote by Jack_42The second world war was a war between Axis Powers, a formal military alliance between Germany, Italy and Japan and the Allied Forces, that consisted of, among others, America, Russia and Great Britain. Neither of them won the war alone, the Axis was defeated by the allied forces in a coordinated effort.
Was it Socrates who said the use of of abuse is the sign of a lost argument? I suggest you study the map of Europe before and after WWII. You will see more people were invaded than at the beginning. The Russians won WWII in Europe.
The fact that quite a few states became communist states does not mean Russia alone won the war, it didn't. What Russia did do, was break the pledge of "the earliest possible establishment through free elections governments responsive to the will of the people." the allies agreed on during the Yalta Conference in 1945. In stead Stalin forced the communist system upon the countries they controlled.
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You mean like they were when they had the Warsaw pact agreement?
I hate to say this but to use an Americanism arguing with you is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel.
The Warsaw pact was signed in 1955, ten years after the war, as a reaction to the fact that Germany became a member of NATO. It had nothing to do with the WWII alliance between Russia, America and Great Britain
