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Quote by ChuckEPoo
I think... The system is great as is. RRs encourage writers that have produced an above average story or poem. They are an incentive for others to improve. No conspiracy. No favoritism.


well... a little favoritism is you drop a couple hundred into my paypal account, but otherwise...
Quote by Magical_felix


On a side note, I wanted my rank to be "motherfucker" but I was denied because CENSORSHIP.


too incesty. deal with it.
Quote by Fugly


To the OP, the system will never change but thank you for the discussion. In my opinion, the only fair system would be that when someone submits their story, their name is not displayed to the mod.


There's one huge issue here that prevents it - that disallows us ANY communication with the writer via PM - as some will tell you, we'll often contact writers if we have questions about their story or suggestions or would like permission to do some edits. this would make any communication between my team and the writers impossible. what would happen is we'd simply have to reject a story without any explanation whatsoever.
Quote by Peri


Everyone has issues in their personal lives. We learn to negotiate with them with personal resolve and with the help of friends and family, however, best are those who maintain dignity with their personal conduct and do not let their anger convert into denial smile


like i said, if you think i'm angry, you're mistaken. i was simply pointing out that your observations about me needing to take a chill pill because of this topic are way off base. as for dignity, i've never claimed to be dignified. i am who i am, no apologies.
Quote by Tricky_Dicky
I can't believe that you've gone through 5 pages of this shit and have still not realised that -- NOBODY CARES.


no - YOU don't care. please don't think you speak for every member on this site. Personally, i enjoy popping in here once in a while and checking it out - nice to have something that gives you a little smile on occasion.
Quote by Peri


lol... omg.... seems like you've taking it as a matter of life and death.... hey relax and enjoy your meal.... and yeah chew well, swallowing is not always good ;)


in the last 3 weeks my best friend, a man i've known since i was 4, has passed away and i've had to take a trip to the ER and spent 4 days hospitalized with a tube down my throat. believe me, this thread is pretty far down on the list of things that stress me out. that said, i' doing my best to work through people's concerns in a civil manner, because, believe it or not, i do care about people's opinions. if you'd rather i just ignored the issue altogether, trust me, it would make my day one hell of a lot easier.
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In my opinion, doing away with the RRs and EPS, and even the voting system, will make this place more desirable for serious writers and deter the vast majority of the glory hunters.



this site is FOR authors and, i my experience, the vast majority of them enjoy the RRs EPs and voting system. doing away with them would not be a step in the right direction - i think it encourages people and no, i am not about to turn this into an elitist site for serious writers - it's a site for writers who wish to have their voice heard - do we have high standards? yes. does that mean we're going to discourage amateurs from writing? no - the goal is to help them realize their potential and publish stories they can have pride in - comments, awards, votes, are all tools to help further that goal.

Quote by overmykneenow

I wouldn't mind answering this. I hope your appreciation of honesty extends to me too.

Do I see them as a power hungry entity? No, but I certainly understand why many people do. I can also understand why people are too frightened to admit to that. Mods become mods for their own reasons - some good some bad. Some people join this site and the only thing they want to be is a mod. There are those as well who would struggle to survive on here if they didn't have the security of being part of the mod team. It explains why some people would want to bother still being a mod, when all we ever hear is how arduous and thankless it is (I love that one by the way).

Usually the bad mods are got rid of without much fuss - if you know gossipy mods you can usually find out what happened in PM. When mods get consumed by power they don't usually do it in full public gaze - MrNudiePants going postal in the forum being a notable exception. Power trips aren't the problem though. What is the problem is the slow creep towards institutional thinking. "I deserve this because I make sacrifices for this website", "us mods are so unappreciated by THEM - let's have a group hug".

The RR system was added as a perk for mods. Whenever you add a perk for the mods, by definition you make things relatively worse for those who aren't mods. We all need to remember who the most important people are on this: the Authors. All of them, good or bad. 97% of the traffic on this site is not concerned with this forum or the chat rooms or private messages - it's here to read stories supplied by dozens of authors every single day



It applies to everyone, Mr Knee - i really would like some transparency of what goes on in mod land if people are sincerely interested, so here goes me seeing if i can shed some light on some of your comments.

1. mod perks. we don't get paid. we put in a lot of hours. there is a mod of the month award that was implemented a while ago, but in the grand scheme of things, if you count of the hours mods put in, it's more of a token gesture and a nice way to say, hey, you're appreciated. at some point, some of the mods asked if we could implement a program that let them feel a little ownership over a good story - it's a rewards for the author, as well, obviously, but it's something the mods really enjoy being able to do, hence the 'perk'.

2. we never forget the importance of the author. one of the things i have always stressed is that we treat our authors with the utmost care and respect. and yes, i have not only dressed down mods who fail to remember that, but i have kicked some from the team and apologized profusely to the writer involved. there ARE times when a writer crosses the line and becomes abusive, in which case, i handle it a little differently, but mostly, i truly do try to treat our writers with the respect they deserve.

the VAST majority of mods on this site, btw, are story verifiers. some, like myself, double up a bit, but their first and foremost function is that of getting stories published. Often, they will take time out to work with writers on helping them edit works that aren't quite up to standard, or, like i often do, just dig in and clean up stories so they they turn from rejections to published works.

3. No, if a mod gets the ax, it IS done quietly. they deserve a little respect for all the work they've done and i'm not going to take that from them - it's usually a matter of burnout and/or something else going on in their lives that's causing stress. no matter what, they have done a lot of service for this site and i never forget that i'm often one step away from losing it myself, on occasion. smile

4. we're not vindictive. sure, it would be easy to mess with someone who annoyed me - i could easily mess with people's scores if they piss me off, or make their stories wait, or whatever. i don't. i ever catch anyone else doing it, it will be the last time it happens. period. if anyone is suspended or banned or whatever, it is because they went over the line, not because one of us took offense to something they've said or posted.

5. why i mod. this applies to most of us. it's not a power thing. i love this site. i've been doing this for 6 years. i love Nicky's vision - she's family in a way - most of the mods are. it's community for me, and i get to see some incredible talent, some that comes to us already in bloom and some that slowly blossoms. i love watching the progression of someone who is starting out and who, in time, finds their voice.

6. it's human nature - you get defensive when you perceive people taking shots at your hard work, questioning your ethics, so yeah, occasionally an 'us' against 'them' attitude pops up. it's almost always a response. should it be toned down? sometimes, sure. there are times when i'll tell the team to cool it a bit. there are times when someone should probably tell me to cool it a bit - thing is, we're a passionate bunch - what we do, we do out of love, and we are passionate about it, and sometimes those passions come out in public forums - we're members, too, don't forget, and sometimes we like to take off our mod hats and just relax.

i hope that helps shed some light on some of your questions? i'm perfectly willing to continue with this dialogue with anyone who can do so in a civil manner.

peace
rachel
Quote by Shotgun011


some of the recommended reads are crap and pap like some that gets posted and the other better stuff seems to be rejected


we're trying something different - only publishing crap until further notice. new direction, and all. thanks for being supportive.
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I thought it was Fronkenstien...


what nice knockers smile
Quote by GingerTamer


Or she's just really mean.


this *hugs* if you need a place to go where someone's nice to you, while we don't have a spare bed, we do have room in our bed. *waggles eyebrows*
Quote by principessa
Could someone please remove the apostrophe from the title of this thread. Glaring spelling mistakes drive me crazy.


fixed it for you. smile
Quote by Peri
OMG it took a few minutes for Her Royal Spriteness to write this... seems like right from the outset she was watching me writing my views... this is scary :P

Well whatever has been said, is your personal opinion and your notion and tone further strengthen the veracity of highlighted portion smile


yes, all i do all day is watch for your posts so i can reply asap. and yes, i do have opinions. i'm just a person who enjoys this site like everyone else. as for being power hungry? if you believe that about me, you really don't know me well, but that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it.
Quote by Peri
After about five busiest weeks of my second year in office, I found time for Lush and this forum topic got my attention because so many 'stalwarts' jumped in to highlight their opinions....

I congratulate JC72 for having the courage to raise the issue and at the same time sympathize with him as most of the jumpers here didn't understand what actually was at stake. The issue was to make the system more transparent, to curb imposition of personal whims and to make the people at responsible positions accountable for their actions......

Unfortunately, most of the mods here didn't agree to improve the system. It appears as if they are jealously guarding the power and authority they have been given. This aspect need attention by the site owner.

I fully agree with the suggestion of topic initiator and reproduce the recommendations:

1. Any story or poem given RR, should include who gave the RR and a quick blurb as to why.

2. If a Mod gives a RR to one writer, they can't give a second one to same person for six months with no back tracking on stories.

3. No RR can be given to anyone on a friends list.

4. Readers be allowed to send personal favorites to Lush, bypassing Mods so that staff can make choice if worthy.

I mean what's wrong with these ideas ? They seems highly just and fair..... but who among the mods would be ready to be accountable.... that is the issue which needs to be resolved smile


frankly, the highlighted part is insulting. also, what power are we jealously guarding? is that really how you see the mods? some sort of power hungry entity that's out to make lush a poorer experience for members? btw, that's a very real question - i'd appreciate an honest answer.

as to the rest:

1. most of us will leave votes and comments if we think the story is RR worthy already.

2. why should someone who wrote 2 amazing stories within a 6 month period be penalized for it? and do you expect us to keep track of who we give RRs to? keep an excel sheet or something?

3. at one point, before i trimmed my FL down to reflect people i actually coresponded with, i had over 1000 people on the list. most of the people currently on the list are there because they are strong writers. so, as do most of the other mods. So, our strongest writers wouldn't be elligible, in other words?

4. the mods and staff are one in the same. bypassing mods means bypassing staff. and, btw, i am always open to someone sending me a PM telling me that i'm missing a really great story - i try to give it a read and see if i think it needs one.

bottom line - we do a lot of work here. it's very time consuming, it's all volunteer, and it's meant to make a better experience for the members. adding extra work on top of that, isn't something i really want to see happen.

i'm not saying i'm not open to the system being retooled if it's needed, but frankly, unless Nicola tells me that it IS needed, i'm okay with it staying as is. if it's accountability you want, it would be easy to simply drop it into my lap, but as most people will tell you, if that happens, you'll probably not be seeing more than half a dozen RRs a year at best and i don't think that's what people really want?
Quote by Dani


Wait, what just happened?


i think you just got yourself engaged...?
When we implemented the RR program, it was meant to be a perk for the mods, much as Empress Burq's experience. It's not meant to be an award. How it works. If a mod reads a story that they thought should be given a little extra exposure, they hit the RR button. That means different things to different mods. In MY case, I am very stingy with them. that's my choice. I rarely give them to established authors, unless those writers write something outstanding above their outstanding work. I tend to focus on either new writers who come in and knock my socks off or writers who have been with us for a while, not gotten the exposure, and really up their game with their story. I have, once or twice, also given them to writers who might not have an award winning story, but it's obvious that they poured their heart out and improved vastly from when they started. it's my way of encouraging them. that means that the story might not be amazing, but it's headed in the right direction - it doesn't hurt anyone, and i'm always happy to take ownership over my choice.

why don't we post who gave what? Posts like this. Blogs like the OPs "fuck you, Lush, fuck you, mods." My crew does hard work. Is it thankless? No. I make sure they know they are appreciated as does Nicola. A lot of the members let them know, too. That said, a lot of members tread them like dirt, too. One nasty reply to a rejection tends to wipe out the previous 10 thank yous when you're working as hard at vetting stories as they do. A few of you might have noticed I've been MIA for a bit. Frankly, I've needed the time away from this place. For those of you who don't know me, I've been doing this for close to 6 years now, long enough that I will often refer to the mod team as mine, a conceit that Nicola never discourages. To put it simply, I needed a break, not from Lush, but from the members that I serve, and that's how I look at it - I serve you. I publish your stories, and when I can't, I tell you what you need to do to get them published. I don't do this out of a sense of power - I do it because I want the site to be able to publish great stories and I want YOU to be able to put out erotica that you can be proud of. I think that I have managed that. If not, yes, I am open to constructive criticism. My PM box is very easy to find. I am not, however, fond of taking public shots or long winded bitching sessions - they take away my focus from what is important - getting YOUR stories on the front page.

So yeah. At some point, you do get defensive, when you feel like people are taking shots at your hard work. It's only natural, hence the reason mods tend to come into these threads with strong opinions. That's why I'm taking time off to post this. The RR program isn't going to change. If someone seems to get out of hand with handouts to friends, at some point there will be a gentle reminder. Some great stories will be missed. Sometimes I'll find something written a year back that wows me and It will be tagged. Sometimes authors will think they deserve one and it will take forever to get it - a little note on that - when we implemented the EP program, I was passed by constantly until it became kind of humorous seeing as, in all humbleness, I'm one of the strongest writers here. Eventually, Nicola just sort of dropped one on one of mine out of pure fair play. I never made a stink about it, I just had faith that my work would shine through at some point and kept trying to improve and earn that pretty little digital gold medal.

That's how you're going to have to deal with the RRs. If you deserve one, you'll get one. It might not be when you want it, or for the story you want, but eventually, someone's going to say, damn, that guy can write, and this story just really knocked me out. BAM. RR.

Be patient. Don't worry about the "accolades". The award for writing should be simply finishing a story that you can take pride in and building your status as a writer with reads and votes and comments. That, at least, is how I see it - this is an amateur site and as such, more awards don't equal more sales and more money in your pocket, just a warm glow. Focus on the warm glow that you get when you see your story on the front page for the first time.

peace out
rach
what is ironic about this, and i'll be very blunt here, is that this is aimed at Magical Felix. we all know it, so let's not beat around the bush. i'm pretty sure he's getting a kick out of watching it proceed, in fact. the result, really, isn't going to affect him at all. what it will do is annoy pretty much everyone else. right now, i'm annoyed - i've been dealing with a lot these last few weeks, and really, while i am happy to split my time between story and forum modding, it does grow old when i'm dealing with these kind of threads. Dani has waaaay more patience than i do, honestly.

so, get it out of your system. things will change organically, as they need to. now, if you'll excuse me, i'm going to go eat my dinner of jello and veggie broth. peace out.
I used to respond to these type of threads and actually attempt to carry on a conversation and find a way to work out some solutions. now? do what i do. there's a block feature, or you can simply ignore posts that annoy you. it's called being an adult. if people put as much time into writing as they did in-fighting in the forums, they'd have some pretty damn good stories up. still have time and energy? volunteer or do charity work. i do both, as well as attend school, mod ya'lls stories, and enjoy a committed relationship with a wonderful woman. really, leaves very little time to get annoyed by all this silliness.

besties,
rach
Quote by Burquette


I have a tentacle story but I thought it would violate Lush's all human policy. ;)


depends on how you do it. if you're serious, and need advice, talk to me. we need more T-Porn!
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Yes, absolutely. In science, it was "being scooped" and it was so infuriating after months, if not years, of research.

When I think about my writing, some of the premises are tired. A rich, powerful guy offers a less wealthy, less powerful woman favors for sex. A girl goes to a genie for a wish. Where, oh where, have I ever seen that before?

So, I try to make it unique by filling out the characters in a meaningful way and making their situations unique.

I think you should run with the sausage-up-the-ass idea. I mean, really. It's such a great visual and I'll bet that was an empty threat from the bigoted media whore. ;)


may i suggest going with tentacle stories? i'd suggest dino-porn, but it's already been done to death.
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I will if you will.


878 words, plonker. better get out your typewriter.
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If Bram Stoker, one of your fellow countrymen can do it...



Stroker *Giggles*
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I like your stories, too.


hi cutie. new here? want to fool around? promise i won't tell your girlfriend...
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Is it true that all stories in this category will be required to begin: It was a dark and stormy night... ?


only if they're written by a beagle... you're not a beagle, are you...?
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