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Sorry, this is a bit of a two-parter.

A male mate of mine once told me he'd gone down on a lass, and refused to do it again, even though he loves it normally, because he hated how she tasted. It wasn't that she wasn't clean, just that her natural flavour wasn't to his liking (it could have been what she was eating, etc). He told me he'd told her he wouldn't go down on her again because she tasted horrible.

I said that I thought that was mean, he could have said something like he preferred not to give oral, but was happy to do other things. Or maybe gently ask her about her diet, rather than upset her - she cried a lot, apparently, and he couldn't work out why. I said he'd most likely hurt her feelings, and it was cruel of him to have put it so bluntly. He said he'd not thought about that, and felt bad, but she'd dumped him by then anyway.



On the other hand...



I've had the experience of being told by a fella that he loved me, and did a few things with me (okay, he kissed me and let me wank him a couple of times), only to find out later that actually, he only did it because he wanted me to "feel like I was loved" because nobody else would and he wanted me to have that experience so I would know what it was like to be a real woman. I won't go into the rest of it, but he had regular occasions during which he could have told me how he truthfully felt (he had promised never to lie to me if his feelings ever changed when he first told me he liked me). In the end, he admitted that he had been lying the entire time. I still don't know why, unless he liked the fact that he thought he was doing me some kind of bizarre favour.



Personally, I prefer tactful honesty, rather than a complete lie or brutal truth. Perhaps that is the kind of lass I am. I always say that unless you know the truth, you can't do anything about changing something that needs changing, or learning to live with the things that can't be. And I also think that it is far better never to let hope grow where there is none.



My questions to you are these:

Have you ever found yourself in either (or similar) of these situations, and if so, how did you handle them?

Do you feel brutal truth is better than a sympathetic lie, or should there be balance?

Or does it depend on the situation/person?




Thank you for taking the time to read, I would really value your thoughts if you have some to give.
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In the first instance if I found that for some bazaar reason that I cannot fathom I didn't want to go down on her but loved her I would teach myself to get over it. I love her so she deserves the best I can give her sexually or otherwise.

In the second case I would never lie to a lady about how I felt especially after sex. That is a lie destined to explode in ones face.

You made the point that situations matter and that's true but I can't think of one off hand that justifies telling a woman I love her when I don't. The guy you were with was a fucking Neanderthal and a bastard. Be glad he is gone and hope quietly that he gets hit by a truck.

No guy believes in a pity fuck, if he said that he just wanted to have sex with you for the sake of it.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Thank you very much for your reply, I truly appreciate it.
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In the first instance if I found that for some bazaar reason that I cannot fathom I didn't want to go down on her but loved her I would teach myself to get over it. I love her so she deserves the best I can give her sexually or otherwise.

In the second case I would never lie to a lady about how I felt especially after sex. That is a lie destined to explode in ones face.

You made the point that situations matter and that's true but I can't think of one off hand that justifies telling a woman I love her when I don't. The guy you were with was a fucking Neanderthal and a bastard. Be glad he is gone and hope quietly that he gets hit by a truck.

No guy believes in a pity fuck, if he said that he just wanted to have sex with you for the sake of it.


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I can't think of anything else that would be harder to tell a girl than, "hey baby, your puss is a little sour. Maybe you should douche." I'm being serious, there is no right way of telling her. Anyway you say it she will just hear. "Fuck, your pussy is grossing me out." And then she will be mad and you will be pulling your pud once she falls asleep. Every time I'm trying to seduce a girl and that moment happens when you realize, "I'm fucking this girl soon.." Only one thought crosses my mind. "I really hope her vagina doesn't smell bad because I like her and want to have sex repeatedly."

BUT if there is a bad smell you can:

A) Play through the pain.

B) Tell her to clean up (B isn't really an option)

C) Breathe through your mouth and do not perform oral.

B) Tell her you are getting a strong friend vibe.
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I can't think of anything else that would be harder to tell a girl than, "hey baby, your puss is a little sour. Maybe you should douche." I'm being serious, there is no right way of telling her. Anyway you say it she will just hear. "Fuck, your pussy is grossing me out." And then she will be mad and you will be pulling your pud once she falls asleep. Every time I'm trying to seduce a girl and that moment happens when you realize, "I'm fucking this girl soon.." Only one thought crosses my mind. "I really hope her vagina doesn't smell bad because I like her and want to have sex repeatedly."

BUT if there is a bad smell you can:

A) Play through the pain.

B) Tell her to clean up (B isn't really an option)

C) Breath through your mouth and do not perform oral.

B) Tell her you are getting a strong friend vibe.


OR...

Use something messy for the first round... like tons of baby-oil, or cum in her hair... then employ the "shower-fantasy" strategy before you start round-two. As in "let's go clean you up, baby and then have more fun getting dirty again..."
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OR...

Use something messy for the first round... like tons of baby-oil, or cum in her hair... then employ the "shower-fantasy" strategy before you start round-two. As in "let's go clean you up, baby and then have more fun getting dirty again..."


But there will have to be a round one I mean sometimes a girl can look like a model and everything is going good, jokes are being told, laughs are being had, stares into the eyes are being allowed to linger, unnecessary body contact is being made. So you think you're golden, It's a lucky night, she looks good in her panties... Then you kiss up her thigh and you start to wonder if she has cats and the litter box is dirty or something... You get closer and it hits you. It's not her cats... It's her pussy! Your penis turns soft. so soft. You give it another chance next week. And the smell is there. Fuck. So you think third time's a charm and no, the smell goes up your nose and it is almost physically painful.

What then? A B C or D
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But there will have to be a round one I mean sometimes a girl can look like a model and everything is going good, jokes are being told, laughs are being had, stares into the eyes are being allowed to linger, unnecessary body contact is being made. So you think you're golden, It's a lucky night, she looks good in her panties... Then you kiss up her thigh and you start to wonder if she has cats and the litter box is dirty or something... You get closer and it hits you. It's not her cats... It's her pussy! Your penis turns soft. so soft. You give it another chance next week. And the smell is there. Fuck. So you think third time's a charm and no, the smell goes up your nose and it is almost physically painful.

What then? A B C or D


Hmmm... use heavily flavoured lube? Get so wasted before you have sex that you don't notice anything? Snort an eight-ball so that you can't breathe through your nose? Burn your tastebuds off beforehand using sour-candy-sugar? Skip the pussy and hope her ass tastes better?

I think this book has some other helpful tricks... Don't forget to gargle with mouth-wash later.


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Hmmm... use heavily flavoured lube? Get so wasted before you have sex that you don't notice anything? Snort an eight-ball so that you can't breathe through your nose? Burn your tastebuds off beforehand using sour-candy-sugar? Skip the pussy and hope her ass tastes better?

I think this book has some other helpful tricks... Don't forget to gargle with mouth-wash later.




Cloudy mind,stuffed nose, numb tongue and lips, throat drips....................bound to make any pussy bearable, LOL!!
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I've had the experience of being told by a fella that he loved me, and did a few things with me (okay, he kissed me and let me wank him a couple of times), only to find out later that actually, he only did it because he wanted me to "feel like I was loved" because nobody else would and he wanted me to have that experience so I would know what it was like to be a real woman. I won't go into the rest of it, but he had regular occasions during which he could have told me how he truthfully felt (he had promised never to lie to me if his feelings ever changed when he first told me he liked me). In the end, he admitted that he had been lying the entire time. I still don't know why, unless he liked the fact that he thought he was doing me some kind of bizarre favour.



I'll tell you what he did here... he felt that you were getting emotionally attached to him, so he decided to act like a douchebag and deliberately say something hurtful to you to turn you off him, under the guise of just wanting to be "honest" and "truthful". Rather than saying "this isn't going to go anywhere so don't get any ideas", he decided to take the passive-aggressive route and enjoy an ego-trip along the way.

My guess is that he's an emotionally-stunted asshole that likes to play psychological games with women.

Don't take it personally.

Nobody should use any verbal-chainsaws, spewing "the real truth" when there is the potential to needlessly hurt someone you once cared about (or at least liked enough to have sex with). When it comes to sex and/or love, being classy and tactful is always the preferable route. I say it's always better to do the "it's not you, it's me" thing, or the "I'm not ready for a relationship" or even "I don't feel we have the right chemistry"...

If the person continues to dig from there because they are demanding the straight truth and don't want the sugar-coated version then it's okay to dish the hurtful criticisms. Maybe that's what they need to get closure. And if they can't handle the truth, then they shouldn't ask for it.
After Pussy Mints ? (google it)

At least it's better than mints you are suppossed insert inside the vagina!!!!


vagina mints?!!!!
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I'll tell you what he did here... he felt that you were getting emotionally attached to him, so he decided to act like a douchebag and deliberately say something hurtful to you to turn you off him, under the guise of just wanting to be "honest" and "truthful". Rather than saying "this isn't going to go anywhere so don't get any ideas", he decided to take the passive-aggressive route and enjoy an ego-trip along the way.

My guess is that he's an emotionally-stunted asshole that likes to play psychological games with women.

Don't take it personally.

Nobody should use any verbal-chainsaws, spewing "the real truth" when there is the potential to needlessly hurt someone you once cared about (or at least liked enough to have sex with). When it comes to sex and/or love, being classy and tactful is always the preferable route. I say it's always better to do the "it's not you, it's me" thing, or the "I'm not ready for a relationship" or even "I don't feel we have the right chemistry"...

If the person continues to dig from there because they are demanding the straight truth and don't want the sugar-coated version then it's okay to dish the hurtful criticisms. Maybe that's what they need to get closure. And if they can't handle the truth, then they shouldn't ask for it.


Bloomin' right I got emotionally attached! He knew exactly what my history had been, how and why I couldn't trust anybody, and how I could barely let anybody hug me, let alone anything else. It was a total onslaught (on his part) to be as gentle and careful as possible with me, but stlll pushy and cajoling without me running for the hills (which also happened a couple of times). I couldn't believe him for months, and he said he was fine with it, even stepping it up, and then I began to believe what he said a tiny bit by forcing myself to.

And then eventually, I saw he'd de-friended me on Facefudge, but with his settings open, so I could see all about the new love of his life. I said nothing until he phoned me up two days later to "confess" he'd defriended me and might have met someone. I asked why he hadn't seen fit to tell me about it. That's when he delivered his lovely list of crap.

I bent over backwards to be a good friend, as well as something a bit more, and I just cannot fathom what it was that made him lie so hurtfully in the first place, and then say such awful things to me. I said from the beginning just being friends was a privelige (I was even thicker back then than I am now), and I actually forgave him! But he walked all over me as a friend too. When he had done it for the third time, I cut him off. I should have done it the first time, but I am the kind of person that desires the redemption factor.

Lush is teaching me a lot about fellas. But I don't understand why he would have done what he did. If I could understand it, I might not beat myself up so much for it.
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Bloomin' right I got emotionally attached! He knew exactly what my history had been, how and why I couldn't trust anybody, and how I could barely let anybody hug me, let alone anything else. It was a total onslaught (on his part) to be as gentle and careful as possible with me, but stlll pushy and cajoling without me running for the hills (which also happened a couple of times). I couldn't believe him for months, and he said he was fine with it, even stepping it up, and then I began to believe what he said a tiny bit by forcing myself to.

And then eventually, I saw he'd de-friended me on Facefudge, but with his settings open, so I could see all about the new love of his life. I said nothing until he phoned me up two days later to "confess" he'd defriended me and might have met someone. I asked why he hadn't seen fit to tell me about it. That's when he delivered his lovely list of crap.

I bent over backwards to be a good friend, as well as something a bit more, and I just cannot fathom what it was that made him lie so hurtfully in the first place, and then say such awful things to me. I said from the beginning just being friends was a privelige (I was even thicker back then than I am now), and I actually forgave him! But he walked all over me as a friend too. When he had done it for the third time, I cut him off. I should have done it the first time, but I am the kind of person that desires the redemption factor.

Lush is teaching me a lot about fellas. But I don't understand why he would have done what he did. If I could understand it, I might not beat myself up so much for it.


Honestly it's just the some guys don't have the balls to be upfront about what they want and don't want. When they see a girl get starry-eyed or too attached, instead of tactfully confronting the issue, they take the path of least resistance and act like an asshole in the hopes that it will turn you off them enough to not fixate on them long-term. In their mind - "if I act like a douche, she won't fall in love with me, she'll just see me as temporary fun"... In the meantime, it's your self-esteem that ends up as collateral damage.

They like the challenge of the conquest - but they don't want to have to clean up the emotional leftovers during the aftermath. So they deliver the jabs and then run like cowards... and then usually check back in 1-3 wks later to make sure you haven't resorted to vodka and razor-blades. If you're still willing to talk to them again by that point, they typically are hoping that you're open to the casual fun they originally wanted but neglected to tell you in their efforts to 'close the deal' and get what they wanted.

This process can repeat itself as many times as required in order to have the very casual no-strings relationship they want OR for you to just tell them to fuck-off once and for all. Just be aware - the more you push back or demand, the meaner they sometimes get. It's all psychological manipulation. It's best to cut these types of guys off completely and don't look back.
That sounds like a whole load of work for very little benefit.

Is that the mindset of blokes as a whole in general, a select few, or a majority of them?

Thank you very much for your replies.
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That sounds like a whole load of work for very little benefit.

Is that the mindset of blokes as a whole in general, a select few, or a majority of them?

Thank you very much for your replies.


No, I'd say it's the minority... the emotionally-undeveloped ones. Some grow out of it and some don't.
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When he had done it for the third time, I cut him off. I should have done it the first time


One of my main rules in life is not to give out second chances. I do, occasionally, break this rule...and I almost always regret it.

I don't have much, if anything, to add on what has already been said other than that I am very sorry that it was you on the receiving end of it.
As for the cleanliness thing... there really is no right way to tell a girl (or guy!) that you dont want to go down on them because they stink. I think if that was me, i'd just avoid it and tell him i didnt like doing it. Mind you if he smelled that bad i wouldnt wanna have sex with him full stop.

Either that or i would have to bite the bullet and eventually tell him, but that would inevitably lead to a break up i feel. If a guy ever said that to me, i probably couldnt stay with him out of embarrasment


This is actually making me a bit paranoid now.... i hope a guy has never thought that about me
Thank you for the replies.



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As for the cleanliness thing... there really is no right way to tell a girl (or guy!) that you dont want to go down on them because they stink. I think if that was me, i'd just avoid it and tell him i didnt like doing it. Mind you if he smelled that bad i wouldnt wanna have sex with him full stop.

Either that or i would have to bite the bullet and eventually tell him, but that would inevitably lead to a break up i feel. If a guy ever said that to me, i probably couldnt stay with him out of embarrasment


This is actually making me a bit paranoid now.... i hope a guy has never thought that about me


He said it wasn't that she wasn't clean, she was. He just didn't like how she tasted. He said he had a girlfriend who tasted awesome until she came. After she came, he said she smelled really strong and the taste was almost like chewing rubber (he's really a delightful man!).

Personally, even if I wanted somebody to go down on me, after hearing what he said I'd never let them anyway, just for fear of that!
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How about just showering before having sex... Here in Brasil its almost a requirement. have clean sex it tastes better.

I think its a two way street and Im sure most of you girls have tasted what we men call duckbutter. (guys you know what I am talking about) -- ball sweat.

Personally I don't think its anything to be alarmed of. Its human nature.
If you get her wet enough, or use more saliva then usual any guy will be ok. Furthermore, intercourse is usually around the corner which is the best motivator.
If the occurrence is constant and it bothers the partner who is performing the act, then if he/she wishes to change this, then action must be taken... hopefully trough mature communication.
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If the occurrence is constant and it bothers the partner who is performing the act, then if he/she wishes to change this, then action must be taken... hopefully trough mature communication.


I tried to explain the concept of "tact" to him. I don't think it worked - his next missus ended up punching him and dumping him. He's still single.

I wouldn't want Happy Time without being completely clean, personally, and I can't understand other people who like it a bit "riper". But everybody's different, I guess.
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I tried to explain the concept of "tact" to him. I don't think it worked - his next missus ended up punching him and dumping him. He's still single.

I wouldn't want Happy Time without being completely clean, personally, and I can't understand other people who like it a bit "riper". But everybody's different, I guess.


I'm not surprised it didn't work. The guy is a knuckle dragging thick skulled future wife beater. Believe it or not there are guys out there who do actually have some class and the ability to respect women. I do hope you find one when the time is right.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child