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Quote by sprite


oh, no, i totally got that, Mr Red. i'm simply doing my best to illuminate, to the best of my abilities, my thoughts on the subject. some of the story mods are less than thrilled, as well, and as always, the option for them to simply not mod stories is there.

and yes, lgbtq friendly, as well, thanks to you, which is something else we can be proud of. as i said, it's an imperfect world and i'm not attempting to position myself on high moral ground - i'm simply pointing out the fact that if lush weren't here, and people wanted to publish stories, the other choices are far worse, imo. honestly, i'd be fine with never needing to resurrect the category, but the key word there is "need". sometime you gotta make the tough, and unpopular, choices.


Fair enough.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by Verbal


That line kinda pissed me off too, but discussion of the subject is being entertained, right here (as well in BBs and emails and blog posts all day). I am made uncomfortable by the change, too. And I am not particularly moved by the "we've gotta make money" argument. But this is a community, and one that caters to sexual fantasies, sometimes disturbing ones, and there was an equal outcry against censorship by this same community when the category was first removed.

It was a noble attempt, it didn't work out.


not really about making money, as much as paying for the things that keep the site running. Nikki stopped thinking of Lush as a way to early retirment ages ago - now it's more of a labor of love. smile

and yeah, we gave it a go, but god, it hurt like a somuvabitch.

ps - come on, you know us, no matter what Nikki says, someone's gonna stick their neck out and field concerns.:)

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Magical_felix


How are they supposed to do that? Create a poll in the forum that will get 20 votes by the same dopes that post in the forum everyday? Send a Massive PM to the whole membership and then read every reply? lol


can i have some volunteers for that job? while you're at it, you can read all the hate mail that's piled up in my inbox over the years. smile

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

I have a couple of suggestions.

The first, put in the vault. A genre that rabidly popular and written with Lush’s usual quality would surly help sell memberships. (Other unsavory genres could be placed there too, but enough of that)

Second. PLEASE don’t allow stories to take up space but the top ten stories of the last month. I don’t think many of us want to see How I Screwed My Daddy as the top five stories all the time.

Right. Peace out.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

All of Lushstories major competitors, the large erotic story sites, have as one of their categories and it is hugely popular. It was very popular here for many years. was a Lushstories category a lot longer than it wasn't one. Whether we, you, myself, or anyone else likes it or not, fantasy generates massive views which a site like this translates into ad revenue in order to stay online and financially viable.

There are compromises in every phase of your lives. If anyone says not, then they are lying. So we'd like to keep this great site going and successful.

Before I discovered Lushstories I wrote on another site. That site did not allow and all characters had to be 18 years of age rather than 16. Unfortunately, that site eventually failed financially from poor sponsorship which resulted from a much lower view count. So all the stories I had posted there went away with the site into the abyss of nothingness.

The internet is not run as a communistic or socialistic experiment. Our competitor sites are not going to share their revenue with us to keep us going. It's fucking competition just like real life and the history of the planet. The strongest survive.

Plus, we've gone to great lengths to make this site even more user-friendly and set up for your personal use. YOU CAN BLOCK ANY STORY CATEGORY YOU DON'T LIKE! No one is forced to read any story or category they don't want to. We now have quite a wide range of story category selections. Read the ones you like.
Quote by Milik_the_Red
I have a couple of suggestions.

The first, put in the vault. A genre that rabidly popular and written with Lush’s usual quality would surly help sell memberships. (Other unsavory genres could be placed there too, but enough of that)

Second. PLEASE don’t allow stories to take up space but the top ten stories of the last month. I don’t think many of us want to see How I Screwed My Daddy as the top five stories all the time.

Right. Peace out.


not terrible ideas, really. i'll point Nicola to this post, since she gets to make the calls, thanks, M.

You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.

Quote by Milik_the_Red
I have a couple of suggestions.

The first, put in the vault. A genre that rabidly popular and written with Lush’s usual quality would surly help sell memberships. (Other unsavory genres could be placed there too, but enough of that)

Second. PLEASE don’t allow stories to take up space but the top ten stories of the last month. I don’t think many of us want to see How I Screwed My Daddy as the top five stories all the time.

Right. Peace out.


This!

Though I'm quite surprised how the other posts about this new "change" haven't been deleted, mine were. However, if this category must return, then I think this is a fair solution especially since the Vault is (or I could be mistaken) a "paid" perk and would encourage those who want to read these types of stories to help support the site.

Thank you Milik for this reasonable suggestion and a more than fair compromise.
Quote by NymphWriter


This!

Though I'm quite surprised how the other posts about this new "change" haven't been deleted, mine were. However, if this category must return, then I think this is a fair solution especially since the Vault is (or I could be mistaken) a "paid" perk and would encourage those who want to read these types of stories to help support the site.

Thank you Milik for this reasonable suggestion and a more than fair compromise.


It is indeed behind a paywall. It has sadly been under utilized but this would give it a greater purpose. Ive Long thought Lush was missing a golden opportunity regarding the Vault.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by Simplicity
Sorry I feel it is very sad we have to sink to this level to keep the doors open as you say. So by sinking to this level ,what is making Lush any better than the rest of the raunchy sites? I chose this site because of its standards, but what I am seeing now ,makes me wonder...

You say you have to do this to keep the sight going. Suggestion, why not make everyone that is interested in writing and submitting a story have a paid membership? That would certainly help.


I think this should be given consideration as well. It might also encourage more effort be made in the stories posted.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by sprite


not really about making money, as much as paying for the things that keep the site running. Nikki stopped thinking of Lush as a way to early retirment ages ago - now it's more of a labor of love. smile

and yeah, we gave it a go, but god, it hurt like a somuvabitch.

ps - come on, you know us, no matter what Nikki says, someone's gonna stick their neck out and field concerns.:)



If it keeps LUSH going, I'm okay with it. It's not like we have to read these stories, and we can even block the category. This site is better than Facebook, or any other social network out there.

Honestly, I think it should be advertised as such

I have three famous stories, 2 recommended reads and have come in the top ten in two competitions~ Come in and make yourself at home.

Quote by sprite


we really get that this wasn't going to be a popular move - to be fair, i'd been pushing Nikki to do this for a while, not because i was a fan, but i wanted to see Lush stay solvent. her deciding to bring them back wasn't a decision she wanted to make.

the reality is that we were probably the only erotica website that didn't post the I stories - certainly the only site of this size, and it was hurting us a great deal. web traffic is what pays the bills. ours dropped by 50% after we stopped publishing those stories. 50% that hurt, especially when we went ahead and added servers anyways, just so this site could keep growing. i am deeply humbled to hear that people would have paid more for memberships, but really, it's still peanuts compared to the revenue we need to keep things running, let alone, growing as we'd like. "porn" sites don't generate the ad dollars that they used to, especially if their web traffic is decreasing rather than growing. it's as simple as that.

yes, it sucks. yes, i wish we didn't have to, but we do - the decision was not made lightly, but it was made.


I don't envy anyone making the hard decisions. While my personal feelings are quite strong on this subject, I am a big advocate of free speech. It is easy to advocate something when you are arguing for something you believe in but much harder to stand by it when you don't agree with the content being displayed. I have to consciously remind myself that freedom doesn't change based on who is the one speaking. I love Lush and I am so thankful for the freedom it has shown me in sharing my thoughts as an author, therefore I have to stand by anyone else sharing theirs.
Thank you for options to block content we don't want to see and for making whatever hard decisions need to be made to keep Lush growing.
Sprite, thanks for explaining and clarifying things as always.
Quote by Simplicity
Something about only paid members being allowed to submit stories....

Quote by Milik_the_Red
It might also encourage more effort be made in the stories posted.


I think more likely, you'll end up with a lot more entitlement from sub-par authors - "I paid you to publish my stories" etc.

Like a lot of other people said, what drew me to the site was quality control. I'm not really crazy about the category either. I probably won't read those stories, but I think that as long as the story mods keep up their standards and filter out the worst drivel, it won't be the end of the world if it exists like it does on a lot of other sites.

Don't believe everything that you read.

Quote by Just_A_Guy_You_Know


I think more likely, you'll end up with a lot more entitlement from sub-par authors - "I paid you to publish my stories" etc.

Like a lot of other people said, what drew me to the site was quality control. I'm not really crazy about the category either. I probably won't read those stories, but I think that as long as the story mods keep up their standards and filter out the worst drivel, it won't be the end of the world if it exists like it does on a lot of other sites.


As a mod, I dealt with gold and platinum members who had that sense. The thing is that the mods are already in the habit of being professional and helpful so that sense isn’t usually a problem. Treat people fairly and most of the time it all works out.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by Buz
All of Lushstories major competitors, the large erotic story sites, have as one of their categories and it is hugely popular. It was very popular here for many years. was a Lushstories category a lot longer than it wasn't one. Whether we, you, myself, or anyone else likes it or not, fantasy generates massive views which a site like this translates into ad revenue in order to stay online and financially viable.

There are compromises in every phase of your lives. If anyone says not, then they are lying. So we'd like to keep this great site going and successful.

Before I discovered Lushstories I wrote on another site. That site did not allow and all characters had to be 18 years of age rather than 16. Unfortunately, that site eventually failed financially from poor sponsorship which resulted from a much lower view count. So all the stories I had posted there went away with the site into the abyss of nothingness.

The internet is not run as a communistic or socialistic experiment. Our competitor sites are not going to share their revenue with us to keep us going. It's fucking competition just like real life and the history of the planet. The strongest survive.

Plus, we've gone to great lengths to make this site even more user-friendly and set up for your personal use. YOU CAN BLOCK ANY STORY CATEGORY YOU DON'T LIKE! No one is forced to read any story or category they don't want to. We now have quite a wide range of story category selections. Read the ones you like.


This makes sense to me Buz. I’ve already decided not to participate in fantasy but if it helps the site stay operational I support it. Until this discussion, I wasn’t aware it was in financial trouble. If someone with that knowledge could let me know how much is needed to operate in the black I would appreciate it.
Quote by Just_A_Guy_You_Know


I think more likely, you'll end up with a lot more entitlement from sub-par authors - "I paid you to publish my stories" etc.


If a story isn't up to the required standard, it isn't going to be published. I don't take into consideration the person's membership level. Standards need to be upheld or the site goes to pot.
I had a story posted that had an tag but not in the category that I hid when the whole thing went down, I just tried to unhide it and it just sent me to an error page. It was in the anal category and not . It's just an old story according to the system. I actually hid it so my votes and comments wouldn't be deleted after a mod was like, I'm gonna delete it, all gung ho n shit. So like should I resubmit it as new or what?
Quote by Magical_felix
I had a story posted that had an tag but not in the category that I hid when the whole thing went down, I just tried to unhide it and it just sent me to an error page. It was in the anal category and not . It's just an old story according to the system. I actually hid it so my votes and comments wouldn't be deleted after a mod was like, I'm gonna delete it, all gung ho n shit. So like should I resubmit it as new or what?


Write gav and there is a good chance he can salvage your votes and comments. He did that for me in a similar case with an error

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by Milik_the_Red
I have a couple of suggestions.

The first, put in the vault. A genre that rabidly popular and written with Lush’s usual quality would surly help sell memberships. (Other unsavory genres could be placed there too, but enough of that)

Second. PLEASE don’t allow stories to take up space but the top ten stories of the last month. I don’t think many of us want to see How I Screwed My Daddy as the top five stories all the time.

Right. Peace out.


Some people consider adultery/cheating, anal, oral, teen etc unsavory too.

Seriously, you sound real threatened. If a simple "I fucked my Daddy" title gets more attention than your perfect syntax and classical themes in a fuck story
(lol) I suggest you get gud scrub.
Quote by Magical_felix


Some people consider adultery/cheating, anal, oral, teen etc unsavory too.

Seriously, you sound real threatened. If a simple "I fucked my Daddy" title gets more attention than your perfect syntax and classical themes in a fuck story
(lol) I suggest you get gud scrub.


Nice try little man.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by Milik_the_Red


Nice try little man.


I mean ok, if you say so. Doesn't change the fact that everybody is offended by different things. You're obviously offended by what I say to you, someone else might think it's funny. Someone might think I'm picking on you or someone else might think you just verbally bested me. Just saying, you or anyone else isn't a reliable judge of what's unsavory. Especially you.... but you know what I mean.
Quote by Magical_felix


I mean ok, if you say so. Doesn't change the fact that everybody is offended by different things. You're obviously offended by what I say to you, someone else might think it's funny. Someone might think I'm picking on you or someone else might think you just verbally bested me. Just saying, you or anyone else isn't a reliable judge of what's unsavory. Especially you.... but you know what I mean.


“I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realise that what you heard is not what I meant’”

Well, that was fun.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by Milik_the_Red


Well, that was fun.


Are you asking me to stop? Hoping I stop? I mean If I were you and you were making me look real dumb I'd have fun with it. I wouldn't be hoping it stops... But that's just me, maybe I'm just a sadist.
Quote by Magical_felix


Are you asking me to stop? Hoping I stop? I mean If I were you and you were making me look real dumb I'd have fun with it. I wouldn't be hoping it stops... But that's just me, maybe I'm just a sadist.




Night Felix.

The Wild Girl anthology need not be read in any order but does take place in the following timeframe

Wild at Heart- 1968. The story of Dani’s Great Aunt Evie.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/first-time/wild-at-heart

Wild Oats. Part 1&2. -2021. Dani is 16 and sets her sights on her stepfather.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-1

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-oats-part-2

Wild Child. 2025. Dani is now 20 years old.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/taboo/wild-child

Quote by Milik_the_Red




Night Felix.


Okay, goodnight, get inspired. Be more interesting than those writers. Don't get threatened by them.
I have read the arguments regarding the category with interest, whilst trying to make up my own mind.

However before I offer my two-penny worth, I would like to ask about revenues to the site. As I understand it the proportion of revenue from member subscriptions is probably small compared to what is earned by advertising, but it would be interesting to know the actual percentages. If this is the case the increase in the cost of a subscription would have to increase by an unacceptable amount.

is not only illegal in all civilised countries, and is also deeply unsavoury, but it is an abuse of power in exactly the same way as child abuse, grooming, sex trafficking and . I accept that many people have fantasies and wish to read stories that indulge their sexual fetish. Whether this should be a category that one can block — as has been possible for a long time — or a category that one would specifically choose to view — a facility that does not exist and would need the addition of extra programming — is a question that deserves some debate.

I would have to add that there have been, and will always be, stories in other categories that can be equally repugnant. It is the reader who chooses what they wish to read, although it might be better if stories were not eligible for any awards or special mention.
* There is a very fine line between reluctance and ;
* Stories about people who have sex for money because they wish to does not reflect the nature of prostitution in real life which almost entirely about exploited and vulnerable people (I write as someone whose professional life was in the field of sexually transmitted infections and who worked closely with many genitourinary and sexual health clinics. I also served on several important committees in my home city during the early years of the HIV pandemic and was responsible for the epidemiological surveillance and reporting of HIV, syphilis and chlamydia data for a major region of the UK, as well as other potentially sexually transmissible diseases such as hepatis B and C);
* Cuckold stories are often about humiliation and degradation of the cuckolded person, up to the point of financial exploitation and even deliberate destruction of their personality;
* Stories about cheating generally fail to mention the mental anguish of the wronged party, which often includes mental breakdown and depression, as well as reflecting the consequences for any children who in the real life situation of broken homes are often financially penalised;
* The question of sexually transmitted infections is almost totally ignored, whereas in real life promiscuous people, regardless of social class or wealth, have much higher levels of infections such as HIV, syphilis, gonorrhoea, chlamydia and genital herpes (not a complete list), and anal sex followed by vaginal penetration will often result in unpleasant urinary tract infections and candidiasis. While a diagnosis of HIV is no longer a death sentence, untreated chlamydia leads to pelvic inflammatory disease and infertility, and there are strains of gonorrhoea that are resistant to all antibiotics. It should also be noted that many sexually transmitted infections may be asymptomatic which does not mean that they are non-transmissible.

In conclusion, it will be sad to see friends disappear, especially if Lush is the only point of contact. I would hope that any of my close friends who felt that they could no longer remain members would at least let me know their email address or Facebook name.
i for one am happy and excited about the eleven new categories. i helps to bring something new to the site and sets me a new challenge.

i am quite surprised about the category being put back up, but it doesn't really bother me either way.
My thoughts about the category:
I assume that the same rules as everywhere else apply with regards to age and consent. So even in stories we're talking about sex between two or more consenting people of at least sixteen years old. I think that sex between truly consenting partners, even if they are closely related, should not always be condemned, and tthat stories about it are acceptable.
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Hey... pssst.... that's an l (as in luscious) at the end of my name, not an i
Remember people, we have added the option for you to block story categories you do not want to see. I am sure that most members here have anywhere from one to three, four or five categories that turn them off. We are all adults and have enough intelligence to ignore what we don't like. Let others with different tastes enjoy theirs without being so judgemental. Please exhibit your ability to be open-minded, liberal, and allowing others to be themselves.

Seriously, to anyone with ultra-conservative Puritan values, every category we have is unacceptable. To those who would suppress any opinions other than what they believe in, our Think Tank would be unacceptable. So now is a good time to show tolerance. This is a place for fantasy. The Fantasy category is just that, fantasy. Can you imagine if we did extensive research and investigation and purged every member who isn't exactly what they say they are, doesn't look like the way they promote they do, etc.? On Lushstories you can be who you are or who you want to be.

Lushstories is the best place, socially and for quality short erotic literature on the internet. Make the best of it!

I am 100% supportive of Lushstories being as successful as possible, and that very much includes financial success. The site cannot last without that.

Our story verifying team will hold every category to the same high standards before we allow it to be published here.

And abide by Buz's new slogan: 'Lush On!'

Or I'll go all linebacker on you.

Quote by Buz
Remember people, we have added the option for you to block story categories you do not want to see. I am sure that most members here have anywhere from one to three, four or five categories that turn them off. We are all adults and have enough intelligence to ignore what we don't like. Let others with different tastes enjoy theirs without being so judgemental. Please exhibit your ability to be open-minded, liberal, and allowing others to be themselves.

Seriously, to anyone with ultra-conservative Puritan values, every category we have is unacceptable. To those who would suppress any opinions other than what they believe in, our Think Tank would be unacceptable. So now is a good time to show tolerance. This is a place for fantasy. The Fantasy category is just that, fantasy. Can you imagine if we did extensive research and investigation and purged every member who isn't exactly what they say they are, doesn't look like the way they promote they do, etc.? On Lushstories you can be who you are or who you want to be.

Lushstories is the best place, socially and for quality short erotic literature on the internet. Make the best of it!

I am 100% supportive of Lushstories being as successful as possible, and that very much includes financial success. The site cannot last without that.

Our story verifying team will hold every category to the same high standards before we allow it to be published here.

And abide by Buz's new slogan: 'Lush On!'

Or I'll go all linebacker on you.



Give this man a beer!

to Lush!

Van
Question: Since Category Blocking is being suggested as a solution for those who don't want to see the category in question, does that stop stories from that category from appearing on the front page and other such places for you or just hides it from the categories list? Because if just hides the category, not the stories, it's kind of pointless to suggest it as a solution. To solve the problem, it needs to completely hide all evidence of "the category". I have blocked the category already just to see what happens.

Personally, I'm cool with it existing in this form as long as it is easily avoidable. My first published story was actually in that category (but was subsequently rewritten to remove the relationship that put it in that category).