Editor's Picks

20 May 2012

Sorry if this is elsewhere, but I have two questions about Editor's Picks.

Firstly, what is the remit for them, please? Do they have to meet a certain list of criteria, or is it literally because it's liked for whatever reasons?

Secondly, when two people write a joint story, as I know a few people on here do, and it becomes an EP, why is it only the person who posted the story through their profile who gets the ribbon,? Shouldn't both gain the award, or do forum capabilities mean this is not possible? Or... a different reason? dontknow

Sorry again if this is answered elsewhere, but I've been wondering about it. flower

*EDIT: Should it be "Editors' Pick"*

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20 May 2012

Seeing there are more than one editor who makes the decision, you are correct, it should be Editors' Picks, as a Category listing. I'll ask Gav to change it.

Same with the badges, it should read (unless I'm mistaken):

Editors’ Choice x 74
The recipient of our Editors’ Pick award

We put them to the vote Shylass. The story verifiers will discover a story which stands out, a poll is created in the story mod's forum, and if it gets a unanimous verdict, it gets EP'd.

With joint stories, the way it's set up, only one person can submit the story. If it wasn't set up like that, then we'd have duplicate content issues.

There's no clean solution really. 2 people could share an account and submit it together. Or one author submits it and mentions their co-writer in the credits at the top. That option isn't really very satisfactory, as only the author who submitted it will get an Editors' Pick badge.

Can you think of any better solution?

20 May 2012

now you've gone and spoiled it, Nicola - i've been insisting it's all done with magic *sighs*

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21 May 2012

Quote by nicola

With joint stories, the way it's set up, only one person can submit the story. If it wasn't set up like that, then we'd have duplicate content issues.

There's no clean solution really. 2 people could share an account and submit it together. Or one author submits it and mentions their co-writer in the credits at the top. That option isn't really very satisfactory, as only the author who submitted it will get an Editors' Pick badge.

Can you think of any better solution?

The story could be posted on both accounts and both authors get the credit.

21 May 2012

Quote by 1curiouscat

The story could be posted on both accounts and both authors get the credit.

quit trying to be reasonable or you will be beaten - see if you aren't! *get out the two by four and takes a couple of practice swings* i'm sure, btw, that there's a good reason this won't work. i'm just not sure what it is. perhaps it will upset the hamsters?

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21 May 2012

Quote by sprite

quit trying to be reasonable or you will be beaten - see if you aren't! *get out the two by four and takes a couple of practice swings* i'm sure, btw, that there's a good reason this won't work. i'm just not sure what it is. perhaps it will upset the hamsters?

I know that it would bug the shit out of me to see the two stories with way different scores, votes, and comments on the separate profiles. Would make the scores even more meaningless.

21 May 2012

Quote by Magical_felix

I know that it would bug the shit out of me to see the two stories with way different scores, votes, and comments on the separate profiles. Would make the scores even more meaningless.

yeah, that's what i was going to say... only i didn't smile

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21 May 2012

Quote by sprite

yeah, that's what i was going to say... only i didn't

That's cause you have a bit of shame left.

21 May 2012

Quote by Magical_felix

I know that it would bug the shit out of me to see the two stories with way different scores, votes, and comments on the separate profiles. Would make the scores even more meaningless.

The authors who wrote the story together could easily avoid that scenario. One of the two authors blocks voting and commenting on the story posted on their profile and the other author opens the story to vote and comments. Now all is left is a great game of rocks, papers, scissors to decide who opens the story for public critique / praise.

21 May 2012

Quote by 1curiouscat

The authors who wrote the story together could easily avoid that scenario. One of the two authors blocks voting and commenting on the story posted on their profile and the other author opens the story to vote and comments. Now all is left is a great game of rocks, papers, scissors to decide who opens the story for public critique / praise.

Assuming that EVERY pair of authors who cowrite remember to do that, would be miraculous... I'm sure some would do it out of curiosity too. Like as an experiment. "We will joint post a story and see what happens, see who gets a higher score." Would be fun. I think I could go neck and neck with Sprite. Probably not Natureboy though... I wouldn't challenge him. But I will challenge Sprite if she's not chicken.

I don't think the spirit of cowriting is about who gets the credit anyway. It was great to see one I did get lots of votes but I was happy WITH the coauthors. Like if she would have gotten a ribbon I would have been happy, my name is still attached to it.

21 May 2012

Quote by Shylass

Firstly, what is the remit for them, please? Do they have to meet a certain list of criteria, or is it literally because it's liked for whatever reasons?

Yes, as Nicola was nice enough to explain, it is indeed a fair system of voting...and it works pretty much the same way over on the blue site btw...

However, if a box containing small, unmarked bills addressed to Mr. DirtyMartini were to somehow show up at my door I could possibly be encouraged to consider any and all of your stories for Editors' Picks...just sayin'

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21 May 2012

Quote by 1curiouscat

The authors who wrote the story together could easily avoid that scenario. One of the two authors blocks voting and commenting on the story posted on their profile and the other author opens the story to vote and comments. Now all is left is a great game of rocks, papers, scissors to decide who opens the story for public critique / praise.

When you click on a story to open and read it, it opens in a new page - meaning that essentially, any story which you can click, on any page, whether it's the Lush Home page, or the author's page is just a link that leads to the actual story itself.

So, you could have the same link on each of the author's pages and would lead to the same story, not two different versions?

So, the scores and votes would be correct....

(that made sense in my head when I wrote it...)

21 May 2012

Quote by Mazza

When you click on a story to open and read it, it opens in a new page - meaning that essentially, any story which you can click, on any page, whether it's the Lush Home page, or the author's page is just a link that leads to the actual story itself.

So, you could have the same link on each of the author's pages and would lead to the same story, not two different versions?

So, the scores and votes would be correct....

(that made sense in my head when I wrote it...)

Mazza, that surely makes sense. Furthermore, its a much simpler solution to a double posted story. This resolves the problem that MF brought up concerning the double votes and comments...

Of course, I say all of this but have absolutely no clue if its operationally possible. Like Sprite said above, there is probably a good reason this hasn´t been done as of yet.

21 May 2012

Quote by Mazza

When you click on a story to open and read it, it opens in a new page - meaning that essentially, any story which you can click, on any page, whether it's the Lush Home page, or the author's page is just a link that leads to the actual story itself.

So, you could have the same link on each of the author's pages and would lead to the same story, not two different versions?

So, the scores and votes would be correct....

(that made sense in my head when I wrote it...)

That is a very good idea. Gav would be the one to tell us if he can pull that off.

21 May 2012

Sprite: There are hamsters? dontknow

Thank you very much for responding, Nicola. sunny

And... y'know... everybody else. 2407_group_hug

I like the idea of the same story having its* link on both pages, but failing that, just the button on their profile that says "Editors' Choice", at least, with the link to it somewhere? Or they can have a separate "submitted story form", which enables a link to the story on the other person's account?

I know it's hassle, and that the knowledge you have it should be enough, but I just think that if two people took the time to create something together, it would be nice to have it recognised for both of them.

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21 May 2012

Perfect use of apostrophes, my dear.

21 May 2012

Quote by Mazza

When you click on a story to open and read it, it opens in a new page - meaning that essentially, any story which you can click, on any page, whether it's the Lush Home page, or the author's page is just a link that leads to the actual story itself.

So, you could have the same link on each of the author's pages and would lead to the same story, not two different versions?

So, the scores and votes would be correct....

(that made sense in my head when I wrote it...)

It doesn't make sense cause if that was the case then there wouldn't be a need to block the votes and comments on one story because they would go to the same linked story. So what would be the point of blocking them? See why it doesnt make sense? The system isnt set up that way.

Yeah it makes sense if it was just a link on the profile to the story like it is now and then votes are just added up on the two profiles. If that was the case then why block one of them... THAt makes no sense.

Plus what is to stop me from saying that ALL my new stories were co-authored by my best lushie friend? Then they can be on her profile too and get twice the exposure. It's a flawed idea because it relies on the honor system. That never works.

21 May 2012

Quote by Magical_felix
Plus what is to stop me from saying that ALL my new stories were co-authored by my best lushie friend? Then they can be on her profile too and get twice the exposure. It's a flawed idea because it relies on the honor system. That never works.

Sad, but true.

Maggie R

21 May 2012

Quote by nicola

Editors’ Choice x 74
The recipient of our Editors’ Pick award

We put them to the vote Shylass. The story verifiers will discover a story which stands out, a poll is created in the story mod's forum, and if it gets a unanimous verdict, it gets EP'd.

I just have a quick question (after some background)... I know that all of us have different tastes. I don't like stories, for example, unless they are excellent. But even then only if a friend wrote it or an author that doesn't normally write , will I read it. So I would imagine that I wouldn't be a good judge on deciding if an story is worthy of recognition. I don't read them so it would be like asking a vegetarian to tell you which sausage is best.

I know the mods are all intelligent and capable people BUT they are still humans. I find it hard to believe that all the mods are connoisseurs of all the genres... I find it even harder to believe that a group of humans as big as the group of mods wouldn't have any personal gripes with any authors or anyone on here. I mean we are all human. And lush members and mods alike have shown in the past how petty they can be when it comes to just not liking someone for whatever reason.

Not saying this is what goes on but it does seem that the mods tend to get these ribbons more often... Maybe they are mods because their writing stands out and it's only logical that the mods would have the lion's share of the ribbons. BUT to someone that is wondering onto lush it might look a little strange that the mods have a disproportionate amount of ribbons and the fact that the mods are the ones that vote UNANIMOUSLY on these picks might make the EP ribbons appear bogus or not as prestigious as they should be... Just my thoughts. I mean, I'm sure that none of the mods would want to be the one mod that denied another mod a ribbon right? I mean they have to work with these people? Why stir up shit over a ribbon? Makes me feel they would be more inclined to give a YES for a mod.

What I'm getting at is this... I feel that if the mods all have to vote unanimously on a story for it to get a ribbon.. What chance do non-mods have at getting ribbon. Non-mods that have the audacity to state an opinion that not everyone is going to like? If just one person out of so many can just say "NO, didnt like it." An excellent story wont get a ribbon? Because of so many damn variables? So the opinion of every other mod isn't as important as just one mod that maybe skimmed the story, doesn't like the author, doesn't understand the genre etc.? Doesn't seem fair to me.

I would imagine that a 75% vote or something would be more realistic.

This is just my opinion. I'll also be the first one to tell you that this site is private and anyone that doesn't own the site can go suck a dick... But I am serious about what I said above.

21 May 2012

Quote by Magical_felix

I just have a quick question (after some background)... I know that all of us have different tastes. I don't like stories, for example, unless they are excellent. But even then only if a friend wrote it or an author that doesn't normally write , will I read it. So I would imagine that I wouldn't be a good judge on deciding if an story is worthy of recognition. I don't read them so it would be like asking a vegetarian to tell you which sausage is best.

I know the mods are all intelligent and capable people BUT they are still humans. I find it hard to believe that all the mods are connoisseurs of all the genres... I find it even harder to believe that a group of humans as big as the group of mods wouldn't have any personal gripes with any authors or anyone on here. I mean we are all human. And lush members and mods alike have shown in the past how petty they can be when it comes to just not liking someone for whatever reason.

Not saying this is what goes on but it does seem that the mods tend to get these ribbons more often... Maybe they are mods because their writing stands out and it's only logical that the mods would have the lion's share of the ribbons. BUT to someone that is wondering onto lush it might look a little strange that the mods have a disproportionate amount of ribbons and the fact that the mods are the ones that vote UNANIMOUSLY on these picks might make the EP ribbons appear bogus or not as prestigious as they should be... Just my thoughts. I mean, I'm sure that none of the mods would want to be the one mod that denied another mod a ribbon right? I mean they have to work with these people? Why stir up shit over a ribbon? Makes me feel they would be more inclined to give a YES for a mod.

What I'm getting at is this... I feel that if the mods all have to vote unanimously on a story for it to get a ribbon.. What chance do non-mods have at getting ribbon. Non-mods that have the audacity to state an opinion that not everyone is going to like? If just one person out of so many can just say "NO, didnt like it." An excellent story wont get a ribbon? Because of so many damn variables? So the opinion of every other mod isn't as important as just one mod that maybe skimmed the story, doesn't like the author, doesn't understand the genre etc.? Doesn't seem fair to me.

I would imagine that a 75% vote or something would be more realistic.

This is just my opinion. I'll also be the first one to tell you that this site is private and anyone that doesn't own the site can go suck a dick... But I am serious about what I said above.

With regards to the Honour system, if both writers acknowledge on submission it's shared, how is that naughty? If one wishes to share some readership with one who didn't contribute, surely that is up to them? Or are we talking plagiarism here? confused1

With regards to mods getting ribbons, at least one person I know was not a mod when they co-authored a ribbon-winning story. I am not a mod either.

I do understand what you're saying, Magical, but I also wonder how many of the mods received their ribbons before they became mods. Perhaps a writer worthy of getting a ribbon is also one who has the skills to be a mod or verifier? Maybe it is simply a natural progression for some? I do see what you're saying, but I haven't seen everybody's natural progression through the site.

With regards to reading a story, perhaps some mods are able to put aside personal distaste and literally see, as I do, stories from a technical point of view, rather than the emotions/feelings/thoughts they can provoke in others? It's not ideal, but it is a basic skill. I would presume they do that for stories in categories they struggle with?

I do think that less than 100% agreement is more likely, though, and I would be interested in the response from Admin. However, with so many stories online (how many is it, by the way?), with relation to the amount of EPs there are, maybe that's really what it takes. I find it hard to see it as something achievable, personally, but it can be done, it seems. Embarassed

I once heard the EP described as the "Oscar" of Lush - maybe it really does have to be that hard. dontknow

I said "hard." kekekegay

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21 May 2012

Quote by Magical_felix
I would imagine that a 75% vote or something would be more realistic.

Actually, this is the case. The threshold is 70 percent 'yes' votes. Nicola misspoke when she used the word unanimous; it happens to the best sometimes.

EDIT: I have voted in favor of non-mods getting an EP, and against mods getting it. The voting is done anonymously. And whether I liked someone personally never entered into the decision for me. I even suggested that Stormy's story was worthy of an EP.

ANOTHER EDIT: To clarify, I'm not a mod anymore. Just thought I should state that fact. smile

Maggie R

21 May 2012

@MF - A lot of mods do get EPs but that is, as you said, because they tend to be very good writers. A lot of mods, like myself, got EPs and then later became mods.

We do have our prejudices but we can all recognise good writing when we see it, no matter what category it's in. We have our prejudices but, by and large, we act as professional as possible about these things.

The vote on EP nominations does not have to be passed unanimously (I think someone misspoke there) but by a majority (might be two-thirds, correct me if you know I'm wrong). I don't think any of the current story verifiers have any qualms about giving a No vote to a story that they just didn't think was all that, whether the author is a mod or not. We're all big boys and girls and I don't think anyone would be offended by that (unless they started making some really harsh comments).

I'm glad you are raising these points so that they can be clarified.

21 May 2012

Quote by Shylass

With regards to the Honour system, if both writers acknowledge on submission it's shared, how is that naughty? If one wishes to share some readership with one who didn't contribute, surely that is up to them? Or are we talking plagiarism here?

With regards to mods getting ribbons, at least one person I know was not a mod when they co-authored a ribbon-winning story. I am not a mod either.

I do understand what you're saying, Magical, but I also wonder how many of the mods received their ribbons before they became mods. Perhaps a writer worthy of getting a ribbon is also one who has the skills to be a mod or verifier? Maybe it is simply a natural progression for some? I do see what you're saying, but I haven't seen everybody's natural progression through the site.

With regards to reading a story, perhaps some mods are able to put aside personal distaste and literally see, as I do, stories from a technical point of view, rather than the emotions/feelings/thoughts they can provoke in others? It's not ideal, but it is a basic skill. I would presume they do that for stories in categories they struggle with?

I do think that less than 100% agreement is more likely, though, and I would be interested in the response from Admin. However, with so many stories online (how many is it, by the way?), with relation to the amount of EPs there are, maybe that's really what it takes. I find it hard to see it as something achievable, personally, but it can be done, it seems. I once heard the EP described as the "Oscar" of Lush - maybe it really does have to be that hard.

I said "hard."

Oh, and I LOVE pork and apple sausages! But I love Quorn too. Can't I be a meat-eating veggie-lover? I heard there's a few of those on Lush.

With regards to the Honour system, if both writers acknowledge on submission it's shared, how is that naughty? If one wishes to share some readership with one who didn't contribute, surely that is up to them? Or are we talking plagiarism here?

I meant that an author can say another person co-wrote to get double the exposure. If the othor person didn't co-write it would be called, "using the system." If you have honor you won't but honor is rare.

With regards to reading a story, perhaps some mods are able to put aside personal distaste

Yeah some. If it needs to be unanimous then that is beside the point.

With regards to mods getting ribbons, at least one person I know was not a mod when they co-authored a ribbon-winning story. I am not a mod either.

You also never say anything controversial or anything that would even resemble it. You are very nice to everyone and who knows? Maybe if you never would have typed in green in the forum as often as you do then you might have not have gotten on whatever mod's radar that recommended your story. So many variables. Not saying that is the case but it is very plausible scenario.

I do think that less than 100% agreement is more likely

Fo'sho.

I with relation to the amount of EPs there are, maybe that's really what it takes. I find it hard to see it as something achievable, personally, but it can be done, it seems. I once heard the EP described as the "Oscar" of Lush - maybe it really does have to be that hard.

Yeah, but all the Oscars don't go to the same studio... And it's not unanimous. It's not a murder trial.

21 May 2012

Quote by magnificent1rascal

Actually, this is the case. The threshold is 70 percent 'yes' votes. Nicola misspoke when she used the word unanimous; it happens to the best sometimes.

oh ok ;)... Nevermind

21 May 2012

Quote by clum
@MF - A lot of mods do get EPs but that is, as you said, because they tend to be very good writers. A lot of mods, like myself, got EPs and then later became mods.

We do have our prejudices but we can all recognise good writing when we see it, no matter what category it's in. We have our prejudices but, by and large, we act as professional as possible about these things.

The vote on EP nominations does not have to be passed unanimously (I think someone misspoke there) but by a majority (might be two-thirds, correct me if you know I'm wrong). I don't think any of the current story verifiers have any qualms about giving a No vote to a story that they just didn't think was all that, whether the author is a mod or not. We're all big boys and girls and I don't think anyone would be offended by that (unless they started making some really harsh comments).

I'm glad you are raising these points so that they can be clarified.

There is all kind of stuff in this post that is idealistic and hard to believe just from what some mods have done publicly.. But since it's not unanimous - the vote - and since it just worked out that way - naturally - that the mods get ribbons then it is a waste of energy to continue on with this talk.

21 May 2012

Quote by magnificent1rascal

Actually, this is the case. The threshold is 70 percent 'yes' votes. Nicola misspoke when she used the word unanimous; it happens to the best sometimes.

It might also be worthy mentioning here that an EP nomination must have at least 7 (I think that is the number, it may be higher??? - someone please correct me if I am wrong) votes - plus be above the 70% - to be awarded the EP. Less than 7, and the story is not awarded.

Quote by Magical_felix
I mean, I'm sure that none of the mods would want to be the one mod that denied another mod a ribbon right? I mean they have to work with these people? Why stir up shit over a ribbon? Makes me feel they would be more inclined to give a YES for a mod.

There were times that I did not want to get involved or did not agree, so I simply did not vote - There were times were a story was not awarded because there wasn't enough votes and just slipped by. Just saying the above quote is not always the case.

21 May 2012

Quote by Magical_felix
There is all kind of stuff in this post that is idealistic and hard to believe just from what some mods have done publicly.. But since it's not unanimous - the vote - and since it just worked out that way - naturally - that the mods get ribbons then it is a waste of energy to continue on with this talk.

Fair point. I am a bit idealistic sometimes and I don't see the shit that's actually going on until someone physically points it out to me. I take most people at face value. What I have said is certainly true for myself, if that's any comfort.

21 May 2012

Quote by clum

Fair point. I am a bit idealistic sometimes and I don't see the shit that's actually going on until someone physically points it out to me. I take most people at face value. What I have said is certainly true for myself, if that's any comfort.

Clum, for instance... Like one ex-mod. WHILE being a mod had a super hard on for me. She would blog about me, pick apart what I would say not for the sake of debate but to get me suspended... She's not a mod anymore but she was when I submitted all of my stories. Are you trying to tell me that this mod would ever put her personal feelings aside and judge my story purely on it's merits? She was just the vocal one. How do I know her friends that are mods don't feel the same way? She was just dumb enough to get into it publicly. Hardly a professional climate.

I know I said I wasn't going to continue but...

21 May 2012

It might also be worthy mentioning here that an EP nomination must have at least 7 (I think that is the number, it may be higher??? - someone please correct me if I am wrong) votes - plus be above the 70% - to be awarded the EP. Less than 7, and the story is not awarded.

I'm not even a mod and I imagine you are just saying too much... AGAIN.

21 May 2012

Quote by Magical_felix

Clum, for instance... Like one ex-mod. WHILE being a mod had a super hard on for me. She would blog about me, pick apart what I would say not for the sake of debate but to get me suspended... She's not a mod anymore but she was when I submitted all of my stories. Are you trying to tell me that this mod would ever put her personal feelings aside and judge my story purely on it's merits?

I know I said I wasn't going to continue but...

Hypothetically, if I was this ex-mod (and it is true that I am a ex-mod) and if this was written about me hypothetically, I would simply laugh hypothetically.

Like for instance, I would say that if it were me you were talking about, I would say I have never had a super hard on for you - liked you yes, turned on by you NO, but thanks for the laugh. When I was a mod, I never talked to you once - remember you complained about it?

I would also say that the reason you were maybe suspended is because you kept bringing up personal bullshit about several members into the forums like above. Please note here, not hypothetically, that a mod cannot suspend you without it being discussed amongst all moderators and approved/agreed by the senior moderators.

When I was a mod, I can't recall ever verifying any of your stories and if I did and I thought it was great lol, I would have put your story up for nomination, whether I had a personal problem with you or not, but that simply wasn't the case.

I'm not even a mod and I imagine you are just saying too much... AGAIN.

Nic and others - Sorry for replying, but I am sick of felix and others bringing personal blog/history about me and others into the forums.