Atheist Intolerance

Because of this...

Ya'll can believe that Mary wasn't fucking around behind Joseph's back all you want. But you aren't happy with that, everyone has to believe that nonsense.

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That is one of the reasons why we have elections.

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because of intolerant Christians.

Yes, we are intolerant.

An ultra right wing funded website has statistics implying atheists aren't as nice as Christians.

Imagine my surprise.

I would say I am pretty intolerant. In order to seem tolerant these days you have to listen to a lot of dodgy ideas that often impact people’s rights.

I’m surprisingly okay with it.

LOL.

I've got many questions about that graph:

How can Christian as a whole not be the average of its subdivisions Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christian?
What deity do Nothing believe in, if they're not Atheist?
How where the researchers able to rank No response?
What was the religious or atheist make-up of the Agnostic group?

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LOL.

I've got many questions about that graph:

How can Christian as a whole not be the average of its subdivisions Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Christian?
What deity do Nothing believe in, if they're not Atheist?
How where the researchers able to rank No response?
What was the religious or atheist make-up of the Agnostic group?

Not to mention comparing specific religious traditions to "atheist" and "agnostic" which are very broad categorues that even include parts of some of those traditions is problematic to start with. For instance, Buddhism is not inherently theistic, even if some divisions within it are. I was identifying as philosophically agnostic even while identifying as a Christian by practice in the eighties and early nineties.

I also would like to bring up that you're talking about "freedom of speech." However, we have no context about whether those being "shouted down" were being reasonable or actually preaching hate speech, which rightly shouldn't be tolerated. There is a huge disparity between freedom of speech and hate speech, and that chart from some iffy crypto-bro without a source doesn't give us the full details of what you want to "debate." For all we know, these speakers could have been arguing for mass genocide.

Quote by ElCoco

Tolerant people have always had to listen to what the weirdos have to say because sometimes the weirdos come up with good ideas.

Listening to you is not tolerance, listening to you is masochism.

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He did provide a source. 2024 College Free Speech Rankings It is the second item in the annual campus free speech rankings link in the OP.

To actually get to any sources, I had to navigate through several different links to get to the report, and I can only get the "Harvard" results generally, not by religion specifically for Harvard. I was able to get the results for that question by religion, but that is for all colleges and the figures have slightly changed since the one linked above. However, we still don't have context about whether the speakers are attempting a reasonable debate or are preaching hate speech. The questions weren't asked in a way to differentiate that.

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This too may be a question of how we should read the survey. My reading is that the focus was on whether free speech was or was not suppressed, and if it was, then to what degree. My reading is that it was not about if the suppression was for a good cause.

Sounds like you’re spreading propaganda again Chryses.

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Not to mention comparing specific religious traditions to "atheist" and "agnostic" which are very broad categorues that even include parts of some of those traditions is problematic to start with. For instance, Buddhism is not inherently theistic, even if some divisions within it are. I was identifying as philosophically agnostic even while identifying as a Christian by practice in the eighties and early nineties.

That was exactly my point. There are atheist agnostics as well as theist agnostics. Agnosticism is not some half way position between religion and atheism, as it's sometimes portrayed.

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You have the link. Did you ask @fentasyl your questions? If you did, what were the responses?

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No, why would I ask some tweep about what you, not @fentasyl (whoever that may be), chose to post here and create a whole thread about? That makes no sense.

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That was exactly my point. There are atheist agnostics as well as theist agnostics. Agnosticism is not some half way position between religion and atheism, as it's sometimes portrayed.

An atheist who used to haunt the religion board I admin has a nice diagram with Gnostic-Agnostic as one axis and Theist-Atheist as the other. So you can be in any of the four quadrants. A Gnostic Theist is sure there is a deity of some form, an Agnostic Theist believes there is but holds it is a matter of faith and not provable (philosophical agnosticism), and so on. It's not a perfect handling of the question, but works better than a simple single axis of Theist - Agnostic - Atheist.

Of course, then you have to deal with myriad forms of theism: polytheism, monotheism, pantheism, panentheism, henotheism, and probably some I'm missing/forgetting.

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So your answer is, no, you did not try to get answers to your questions.

My answer was what you responded to.

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You can admit you did not try to get answers to your questions and leave it at that.

LOL, I see you've chosen to get your nonsensical thread locked this way. Makes sense, since apparently you don't want to be held responsible for the nonsense you chose to post. So better have it die a quick dead than keep being reminded of it.

Quote by Seeker4

An atheist who used to haunt the religion board I admin has a nice diagram with Gnostic-Agnostic as one axis and Theist-Atheist as the other. So you can be in any of the four quadrants. A Gnostic Theist is sure there is a deity of some form, an Agnostic Theist believes there is but holds it is a matter of faith and not provable (philosophical agnosticism), and so on. It's not a perfect handling of the question, but works better than a simple single axis of Theist - Agnostic - Atheist.

Exactly.

Of course, then you have to deal with myriad forms of theism: polytheism, monotheism, pantheism, panentheism, henotheism, and probably some I'm missing/forgetting.

Whether you have to deal with that depends on precisely what question you're actually trying to answer.

Quote by Chryses

This, too, may be a question of how we should read the survey. My reading is that the focus was on whether free speech was or was not suppressed, and if it was, then to what degree. My reading is that it was not about if the suppression was for a good cause.

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This brings me to this that I found that ranks tolerance for Conservative speakers is higher, than for Liberal speakers.

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This brings me to this that I found that ranks tolerance for Conservative speakers is higher, than for Liberal speakers.

Source: https://rankings.thefire.org/rank/school/harvard-university

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... chuckling ... You have asked questions for which you haven't sought answers, and you think others post nonsense?

... chuckling indeed ... You have posted claims for which you won't take responsibility.

Due to this pointless survey avoiding all context to seemingly imply what it wants, another way to interpret these results could be that a greater number of atheists are willing to heckle someone debating that you should euthanise all Christians. When someone asks "is it ever ok to...." you tend to look at the worst possible option when answering. IE: is it ever ok to shut down a bigot.

Thinking about it by this logic more christians are willing to sit by and let someone debate that we should clone Hitler and start the fourth Reich. I hope by invoking Godwins Law this stupid thread dies.

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Of course, it will die, for it is exceedingly politically incorrect.

In what way is it exceedingly politically incorrect?

I actually think that Chryses didn't realise that he would get a response that called into question the reliability of his sources, or the limited nature of the polled question. We cannot have a measured discussion without full facts and details.

And now predictably going off topic...

Look, people shouldn’t tolerate intolerance.

Christians like to vilify non-Christians.

If they would stop doing that.. and stop trying to pass legislation that hurts people because of what the Bible says, then non-Christians might tolerate them.

Christians just need to cut the shit.

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What's the legislation you're talking about because of what the Bible says?

ElCocko thinks I’m going to go back and forth with him so he can act like an idiot.

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If you answer my question, you won't need to go back and forth.

What's the legislation you're talking about because of what the Bible says?

I know you crave my attention but I’ve told you before, I don’t enjoy debating with idiots.

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It's OK by me if you don't know what legislation "the Christians" are trying to pass that hurts people because of what the Bible says. Just admit it and move on.

If you do know what legislation "the Christians" are trying to pass, that hurts people because of what the Bible says, then why are you trying to dodge the question? What legislation are you talking about because of what the Bible says?

Oh lord, ElCocko got his attention… Sounds to me like you’re the one that doesn’t know, since you’re asking.. but okay. How about any legislation that is anti-gay or anti-woman. Now look up anti-gay and anti-woman legislation on google and have fun.

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Well duh! Sure I didn't know what you meant. That's why I've asked the question you've been dodging.

It looks like you're still dodging the question. You're still saying nothing. Try your state, California. What kind of legislation are you talking about that's anti-gay or anti-woman? If you can't think of anything there, pick some other state. I'm sure you can come up with something specific if you try. Remember now, it's got to be "anti-gay or anti-woman".

Let's see if you're up to discussing facts.

California isn’t anti-gay and anti-woman, well, not as much as other states… what are you talking about now.. this is why I don’t like engaging with idiots, but I never learn I guess.

Anyway, this verse below is what Christians believe. This is one of the reasons why a bunch of Christians feel women don’t have a say over their own bodies and healthcare.

Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Poor Christians, people are so intolerant of their intolerance.

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You're still dodging the question.

Blessed are the idiots, for they shall inherit the earth.

Christians aren’t being persecuted. And even if they were, isn’t that part of their whole thing? Get a grip.

This is definitely top 5 dumbest fucking threads started since the inception of this site. And of course it was started on the back of an notoriously unreliable source.

And since Chryses and ElCoco insist on refusing to meaningfully engage in the topic at hand and instead choose to litter yet another thread with pedantic nonsense, I see no reason for this thread to continue.

I’ll standby for the revival and/or creation of the next passive aggressive “free speech” thread.