Donald J Trump, The Criminal and Grifter

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If not for the words Communist, Marxist and Left it would be a post about Trump himself and his followers.

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Lovely message for the veterans

Donald Trump lives in the confines of the USA, and he lies, steals, and cheats in elections. As well, he is a tax cheat and was a cowardly draft dodger, and he coddled communist dictators. Plus, he owes a lady several million dollars for sexually assaulting her. Oh, yeah, Trump cheats on wives - all of them in fact. And he paid a pornstar and a Playboy centerfold for sex. So he's a prostitute John

No one projects harder than a capitalist.

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Just happened: https://www.rawstory.com/fani-willis-trump-2666265686/

“These confidential video recordings were not released by the State to any party other than the defendants charged in the indictment, pursuant to the discovery process as required by law,” the filing said.

“The release of these confidential video recordings is clearly intended to intimidate witnesses in this case, subjecting them to harassment and threats prior to trial, constitutes indirect communication about the facts of this case with codefendants and witnesses, and obstructs the administration of justice, in violation of the conditions of release imposed on each defendant.”

To this end, the prosecutors said they would no longer share video depositions directly with opposing counsel and would instead only let lawyers representing defendants view the depositions and take notes.

Happened 4 days ago: Lining up and using GOP proxies to harass the courts -- https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4305179-former-prosecutor-on-elise-stefaniks-ethics-complaint-ny-fraud-trial/

A former federal prosecutor went after Rep. (R-N.Y.) on Friday, saying her ethics complaint against the judge presiding over former New York business fraud trail is “irresponsible.”

“She knows better,” told MSNBC on Friday. “And that is really — this idea that it’s constantly a step too far and it’s now normalized where you have somebody in Congress doing that and the judge is just doing his job.”

Trump and his minions have been attacking all the people associated with the four separate trials he's undergoing. This is how Roy Cohn taught Trump to behave when he's being investigated and in particular, when he or his company have been indicted.

More stuff and whatnot about Trump being a criminal.

When it comes to criminal activity, Trump covers all categories.

There’s a passage of Trump’s opposition to fast-tracking the DC Circuit review of Judge Tanya Chutkan’s opinion holding he is not immune from criminal prosecution that has gotten a lot of attention: Where he accuses Jack Smith of being a mean old Grinch.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/12/13/donald-trump-says-he-can-only-work-over-christmas-if-hes-planning-a-coup/

Trump shouldn’t have to reschedule his holidays to make his argument that he is above the law, he says.

The argument is obnoxious on its face. All the more so because Trump has been known to work over Christmas.

Indeed, Donald Trump worked his ass off — as did many of his closest aides and his lawyers — over Christmas 2020.

Interesting how all of this connecting-evidence is being revealed now - 2 and 3 years after the fact. It's only being uncovered because the conspiracy to steal the 2021 election by the Republicans was so large and encompassed so many different, complicit conspirators - all taking direction from the White House and ultimately from Trump himself.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/interior-watchdog-january-6-report_n_658081d0e4b036ecab461422

The group that organized the pro-Donald Trump rally in front of the White House on Jan. 6, 2021, knowingly misled government officials about plans for attendees to march on the U.S. Capitol, according to a new investigation from the Interior Department’s internal watchdog.

The report, published Monday by Interior’s Official of Inspector General, includes text messages from Kylie Kremer ― the rally’s organizer, and a representative of the group Women for America First ― and one potential event speaker. The Interior report does not name the individuals, but the exchange between Kremer and Mike Lindell, the MyPillow CEO and Trump ally, was previously made public by the House Jan. 6 select committee.

“This stays only between us, we are having a second stage at the Supreme Court again after the ellipse. POTUS is going to have us march there/the Capitol,” Kremer wrote to Lindell on Jan. 4. “It cannot get out about the second stage because people will try and set up another and Sabotage it. It can also not get out about the march because I will be in trouble with the national park service and all the agencies but the POTUS is going to just call for it ‘unexpectedly.’”

“If anyone tells you otherwise, it’s not accurate info,” she continued. “Only myself and [White House liaison] know full story of what is actually happening and we are having to appease many people by saying certain things.”

The report shines new light on how event organizers ultimately hamstrung federal agencies and law enforcement from better preparing for Jan. 6, when a violent pro-Trump mob descended on the U.S. Capitol in a failed attempt to overturn the results of the 2020 election.

“This report adds important information and context to the historical record of the events leading up to and occurring on that day,” Interior Inspector General Mark Greenblatt said in a statement Monday.

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The JFK and RFK assasinations as well as the cover-up of who was actually responsible for 9/11/2001 - were much tighter, leak-proof conspiracies - only involving a small number of truly powerful people pulling strings and creating magic bullets, single 'foreign looking' patsies and collapsing buildings (WTC 7) not hit by airplanes nor debris.

Because this was a Trump engineered coup de'tat - it was always bound to be a major clusterfuck that petered out before the National Guard could arrive and start ventilating MAGA patriots.

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On behalf of the Supreme Court of the State of Colorado, you’re welcome.

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On behalf of the Supreme Court of the State of Colorado, you’re welcome.

It won’t stick though

Let's see. If it does hold up, you can look for a cannibal blood feud on the right as they all rush to fill the void left by Trump. Should be fun. If not, Trump may surf on this wave of vindication right back into the White House. How many of the SCOTUS justice's lips will turn orange from sucking Cheeto dick? That's the big question.

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Let's see. If it does hold up, you can look for a cannibal blood feud on the right as they all rush to fill the void left by Trump. Should be fun. If not, Trump may surf on this wave of vindication right back into the White House. How many of the SCOTUS justice's lips will turn orange from sucking Cheeto dick? That's the big question.

Well a certain Vivek is already posturing that he's removing himself from the ballot if this holds up. One can only fucking hope this shit sticks.

So best case scenario, Trump loses this at a Supreme Court level. The powers that be are legit scared of Trump. They created a monster and are terrified they can’t control or destroy him no matter what happens. So there is a chance this sticks in the courts.

If that happens, expect riots and violence from the alt right who will see this as ‘taking away their freedoms’. This could rise to historic levels of unrest and since anyone raising up in big numbers will call down the wrath of the government’s standing anti-civilian military (police and national guard). I wouldn’t mind at all if the far right impale themselves on their own. This would drain the alt right support across the country and lead to a progressive movement that sweeps the nation.

Like I said, best case scenario and wishful thinking.

If the SCOTUS does not rebuke the Colorado ruling - look for the other 49 states to immediately file their own cases which replicate the Colorado Manuever.

2024 could really be entertaining in America.

I hate to come to this conclusion, but I think Trump should be on the ballot here. Otherwise the goon squad can declare the election "unfair" and who knows what the fuck will happen after that. Personally, I fear right-wing terrorists will hit the power grid and infrastructure - they've been practicing, and that's the scariest way to sow chaos. Which is all they really seem to want.

Here's a more reasoned discussion, and I agree as well: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/12/supreme-court-trump-ballot-removal-colorado-wrong.html

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I hate to come to this conclusion, but I think Trump should be on the ballot here. Otherwise the goon squad can declare the election "unfair" and who knows what the fuck will happen after that. Personally, I fear right-wing terrorists will hit the power grid and infrastructure - they've been practicing, and that's the scariest way to sow chaos. Which is all they really seem to want.

Here's a more reasoned discussion, and I agree as well: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/12/supreme-court-trump-ballot-removal-colorado-wrong.html

I read the article.

Jesus Christ, when will moderates grow a fucking spine?

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Read the article.

Jesus Christ, when will moderates grow a fucking spine?

What is spineless? The article argues that a) the 14th amendment is specific to the Civil War and not meant to be proscriptive and, 2) will trigger the goons and start a second Civil War.

My argument was merely the second part - it'll trigger the goons. Let him lose fairly, in all 50 states. And if he wins, well, people get the kind of government they deserve. We had a democracy and we voted it away.

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What is spineless? The article argues that a) the 14th amendment is specific to the Civil War and not meant to be proscriptive and, 2) will trigger the goons and start a second Civil War.

My argument was merely the second part - it'll trigger the goons. Let him lose fairly, in all 50 states. And if he wins, well, people get the kind of government they deserve. We had a democracy and we voted it away.

The spineless part is when moderates suddenly want to falter and play the fence when it comes to holding politicians accountable, especially Trump. Somehow they still try to find a way to play both sides of the fence. You're seriously campaigning for fairness for a person who takes every waking moment to take a fat shit on fairness, and everything else that's sacred to a democracy? And since when is accountability unfair, especially when it's applicable?

Several aspects of the constitution are outdated, but are still applied to modern issues when convenient.

If he violated the constitution, hold him accountable. Let the goons be triggered. The system is dysfunctional. There is no "it'll fall apart." It's falling apart in real time, and has been for quite a while now.

Let the republican-centric goon squad go to work. We should encourage them. They didn't have to face anyone except an overwhelmed Capitol Police squad. Hell, they didn't even have to deal with BLM or Antifa and their trial run at overthrowing the government fizzled out like a wet Trump ketchup fart.

This is still Biden's America and he's controlling the National Guard, the FBI the Secret Service and the ATF.

The goons are gonna do their goonery, under Biden or Trump - which would you rather deal with?

Full blown Nazism with brown shirts replacing all those government agencies from January 2025 onward? Or, over the next few years with no Trump as dictator calling the shots?

I’m going to throw out a devil’s advocate for Trump’s presidency. It was good for America’s future. Not anything he did but the reaction he created. The BLM movement, kids stepping up and getting into politics in huge numbers, exposing the effects of fostering subtle racism into full blow racist movements… this caused a massive call for change.

Then the Democrats do what they do, marched into office on the winds of change and put a stop to that right away. The voices died down as they waited for the change to happen and now as we close in on the end of Biden’s term it’s nearly dead. The melancholy of the left is just as if not more destructive than the hate on the right. Republicans and Democrats functionally run the country the same way, but Republicans do it more overtly and it angers people.

Trump caused some of the most positive changes in America and another term might kick off revolution. Might also herald the end of the world but the Democrats are going to microdose that over the next 50 years subtly. If we’re slapped across the face with it maybe we’ll fight back instead of accepting it.

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I’m going to throw out a devil’s advocate for Trump’s presidency. It was good for America’s future. Not anything he did but the reaction he created. The BLM movement, kids stepping up and getting into politics in huge numbers, exposing the effects of fostering subtle racism into full blow racist movements… this caused a massive call for change.

Then the Democrats do what they do, marched into office on the winds of change and put a stop to that right away. The voices died down as they waited for the change to happen and now as we close in on the end of Biden’s term it’s nearly dead. The melancholy of the left is just as if not more destructive than the hate on the right. Republicans and Democrats functionally run the country the same way, but Republicans do it more overtly and it angers people.

Trump caused some of the most positive changes in America and another term might kick off revolution. Might also herald the end of the world but the Democrats are going to microdose that over the next 50 years subtly. If we’re slapped across the face with it maybe we’ll fight back instead of accepting it.

If we're being honest, the democrats aren't being subtle. Their whole thing has been "Hey, we're fucking you in pretty much all the same ways as the repubs, but at least we're not repubs, right?" I'll concede that Trump's presidency forced everyone to show their hands. But not many of us lefties are naive enough to believe that the democratic party is worth a damn, nor has it been for quite some time. Again, Trump's presidency made the denial of this fact willful instead of misinformed.

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I hate to come to this conclusion, but I think Trump should be on the ballot here. Otherwise the goon squad can declare the election "unfair" and who knows what the fuck will happen after that. Personally, I fear right-wing terrorists will hit the power grid and infrastructure - they've been practicing, and that's the scariest way to sow chaos. Which is all they really seem to want.

Here's a more reasoned discussion, and I agree as well: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/12/supreme-court-trump-ballot-removal-colorado-wrong.html

It's written by Larry Lessig, who used to be my favorite 2016 candidate in the Democrat primaries.

I can't judge the validity of his claims about the 14th amendment, but the idea that the chance of triggering a civil war should be an argument to keep Trump on the ballot is just silly. Doing away with democracy seems like the recipe for civil war.

And to be fair, I don't think he's actually making that point. The way I read it is that he argues that removing Trump from the ballot is unconstitutional, and that doing so might trigger a civil war because it is unconstitutional.

14th is a pretty much unused and undefined amendment. It is so broad in it’s interpretations that it’s functionally useless until a precedence in higher courts is set as to what it means.

Another way the precedence based legal system is total garbage, by the way.

It allows one case to set the tone for all the others so you just need to push through to a bought off upper court to set laws.

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It's written by Larry Lessig, who used to be my favorite 2016 candidate in the Democrat primaries.

I can't judge the validity of his claims about the 14th amendment, but the idea that the chance of triggering a civil war should be an argument to keep Trump on the ballot is just silly. Doing away with democracy seems like the recipe for civil war.

And to be fair, I don't think he's actually making that point. The way I read it is that he argues that removing Trump from the ballot is unconstitutional, and that doing so might trigger a civil war because it is unconstitutional.

That's why moderates might as well be conservatives. The end result of this reasoning is to want Trump on the ballot. They enable the right wing extremes to happen.

I can see the 14th Amendment being viable in this case if Trump had actually been convicted of a crime for instigating the January 6 Insurrection. While l am sure he did instigate it, l believe our justice system works best when a person is actually convicted of the crime before punishment can be executed.

He has yet to be convicted of any crime. Though l hope he will.

Colorado courts are just opening a can of worms that can backfire. Just as the party in control of the US Congress will be trying to impeach every sitting president from the opposition party from here on. Irresponsible precedent has been set.

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I can see the 14th Amendment being viable in this case if Trump had actually been convicted of a crime for instigating the January 6 Insurrection. While l am sure he did instigate it, l believe our justice system works best when a person is actually convicted of the crime before punishment can be executed.

He has yet to be convicted of any crime. Though l hope he will.

Colorado courts are just opening a can of worms that can backfire. Just as the party in control of the US Congress will be trying to impeach every sitting president from the opposition party from here on. Irresponsible precedent has been set.

This is actually not true. There are tons of ways courts can enforce rulings against people not convicted of crimes.

Simple example, restraining orders. One citizens protection takes precedence over another’s process of a trial. Minimal evidence must be provided to get a restraining order and the person has an opportunity to fight it but it can remain in place in the meantime.

There are tons of court procedures, penalties, and failsafes that offer protections while the slow wheels of courts turn. This is especially important when people like Trump’s primary legal philosophy is dragging out every step as long as possible.

I for one, know how fickle the US Court system can be. But l still believe that Colorado is misusing the 14th Amendnent without an actual conviction to stand on. It is opening the door for unforeseen misuse that can be very detrimental to democracy and the Constitution.

Trump needs to be defeated at the polls by the voters. This court action will just give more energy to the Trump cult. Trump us an old man, and it is even possible nature may take its' course with him. But he does seem to lie and cheat without any physical stress, as if it comes easily without a moral conscious. Most people would suffer physically from feeling guilt, but not Trump, who has no moral compass.

As far as the courts, l did have great success in winning a lawsuit in which l was the plaintiff. And l did collect the entire financial award.

But l know many victorious lawsuits in court never collect the financial award - never!

This seems like an opinion more than a legal theory. Like I said, restraining orders protect without conviction. As it’s immensely untested and undefined the 14th amendment has interpretations that it can act like a restraining order from public office. Like how it was used after the Civil War to prevent the southern states from simply re-electing the same leaders that led the insurrection. Most were never convicted of a crime but still denied public office.

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I can see the 14th Amendment being viable in this case if Trump had actually been convicted of a crime for instigating the January 6 Insurrection. While l am sure he did instigate it, l believe our justice system works best when a person is actually convicted of the crime before punishment can be executed.

He has yet to be convicted of any crime. Though l hope he will.

Colorado courts are just opening a can of worms that can backfire. Just as the party in control of the US Congress will be trying to impeach every sitting president from the opposition party from here on. Irresponsible precedent has been set.

Buz... The tit-for-tat repercussion syndrome you're speaking of - has already occurred. Bill Clinton was besieged for almost his entire 2 terms/8 years of being US President. I know you were probably in junior high school then and thus had the attention span of a dog in heat, but...

America was held back by Republicans consistently during Clintons 2nd term - especially.

You're begging me to make a post which spells out exactly how the Reagan Revolution doomed America to this current point in history. Dani is consistently comparing Democrats to Republicans as if it's even a rational thinking-persons end result.

Gimme a fucking break. Republicans are always trying to fuck everyone over and into the ground. So they can be the king of the hill and everyone else can take a knee and kiss their royal asses.

PS, Trump was landslided at the polls in 2020 by 10 million voters in the popular and by the same margin he defeated Hillary Clinton in the electoral. Then he lead an insurrection designed by fucking morons, enabled by morons and powered by morons. Fuck this guy with a red hot poker.