Quote by lafayettemister
Apples and oranges. Not the same thing in my mind.
Help me understand how they are fundamentally different. According to your logic thus-far, both sets of victims have civil routes to justice available to them, no?
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Quote by lafayettemister
If the person in the forwarded photo felt victimized and wanted police to press charges, they would.
Yes, of course those things are crimes.
Yes they could want that all they want. It's just unlikely the police would find a compelling case, as you describe it. It also wouldn't likely stand up even if they did. They could also sue you in civil court.
As for the crimes I mentioned: why are those things crimes? If you were physically assaulted, you could sue them for medical damages as well as pain and suffering. Why make criminal laws? They'll get theirs if you feel victimized and want to hire a lawyer, right?
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Quote by lafayettemister
Lafayettemister would be responsible for the crime because he forwarded the picture. Sharing with one person or one million, still sharing and victimizing someone.
I doubt that would be the case in a criminal inquiry. Either way, the possible anomaly case is a poor reason to not offer protection to victims.
Do you believe physical assault should be a criminal offense? How about theft? Or maternal/paternal kidnapping?
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Quote by lafayettemister
I don't think they did it to themselves, no. I don't think a person who becomes a victim intended it to happen nor are they responsible for someone else's actions.
edit... if this ever does become law where i live, the first thing I'd do is to delete any and all pictures i've received on Lush or via email. If I ever were to get hacked somehow I wouldn't want to be legally and criminally responsible for the pictures being leaked for public viewing
but this is where the gray areas, the marginal cases, come into play. There are always legal judgment calls in any law. Was it murder or self-defense? Was it theft or was it actually his rightful property?
If Joe and Jen had a horrible breakup and Joe sent revengeporn.com the videos he has of Jen sucking his cock while wearing kitty ears and meowing each time she comes up for air, then perhaps that's a clear-cut case that the prosecutor will choose to act on. Less clear is the case of the man formerly known as Lafayettemister, who was once forwarded pics that he didn't take, who once sent those pics to somebody else, and three years later the subject of the photos finds them on wouldyoubonethisbroad.com and flips out.
All of which is to say- yes, I'd delete lush pics too, law or no law. But if you're not actively shaming another person by doing something you know will hit them like an atom bomb, you're not in realistic danger of becoming a felon.
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Quote by lafayettemister
I never said drunk girls have it coming, never said bully victims are crybabies. Those are serious issues where the victim has no choice in what happens.
I know you didn't- but since you bring it up, the victim has no choice in the matter of their exploited videos and images, either. Surely you're not venturing into "they did it to themselves" meatball-territory by claiming otherwise. Those who do are the types likely to believe the other two statements I typed atop my last post.
Do you believe physical assault should be against the law? How about vandalism or property theft?
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There should be no revenge jpg laws.
Also, drunk girls have it coming, and bully victims are crybabies.
You're doing a decent job finding the gray areas in the margins. Those are present with all laws; it's up to law enforcement, prosecutors, and grand juries to separate wheat from chaff on those cases that "could go either way". Some say there are worse crimes to prosecute; and they are right. But that doesn't preclude the validity of this issue. Some say it's a stupid issue, and if you're "dumb enough" to have issued a pic of yourself then you deserve it. Those people lack the ability to think critically, and mask it with meat-head machismo and/or a worldview that punishes the weak because they see some sort of Darwinian justice in it. Have fun with that, gang.
Lots of cases aren't gray at all. Lots of cases are nothing short of character assassination. An assault on one's pursuit of happiness, and as long as NightMan's not around to talk about orwellian totalitarianism in modern life, the victim's otherwise-present sense of freedom is very much curtailed. It's a new(ish) issue, but better to get our heads around it and protect real victims than pretend it's 1979 and it doesn't exist.
Also, drunk girls have it coming, and bully victims are crybabies.
Quote by lafayettemister
Which proves my point. You may not find any of that to be humiliating. But for something to be humiliating, the subject's opinion is all that matters. Think that boy in that picture wasn't humiliated when his friends at school saw it? I bet he was, and therefore since HE felt humiliated he should have the photographer charged with a crime? No, I don't think so. That's the thing about this possible law, not everyone will agree on what is or isn't humiliation. Humiliation is an emotion, emotions are subjective and change from person to person.
You're doing a decent job finding the gray areas in the margins. Those are present with all laws; it's up to law enforcement, prosecutors, and grand juries to separate wheat from chaff on those cases that "could go either way". Some say there are worse crimes to prosecute; and they are right. But that doesn't preclude the validity of this issue. Some say it's a stupid issue, and if you're "dumb enough" to have issued a pic of yourself then you deserve it. Those people lack the ability to think critically, and mask it with meat-head machismo and/or a worldview that punishes the weak because they see some sort of Darwinian justice in it. Have fun with that, gang.
Lots of cases aren't gray at all. Lots of cases are nothing short of character assassination. An assault on one's pursuit of happiness, and as long as NightMan's not around to talk about orwellian totalitarianism in modern life, the victim's otherwise-present sense of freedom is very much curtailed. It's a new(ish) issue, but better to get our heads around it and protect real victims than pretend it's 1979 and it doesn't exist.
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Quote by Wardog
Well, I can see a couple of internet tough guys decided to jump on the moral bandwagon on a sex story site to do their best John Wayne impersonations; damn I'm impressed. Oh, and PLEASE feel free to tell me the entire list of all of the things that "a REAL MAN" would and would never do. That should be good for as big a laugh as the original list got! Anyone have any queish?
I know you didn't care for my advice last time, but I feel compelled to try once more. Disagreeing with you and being male doesn't make them "Internet tough guys." Doing so while being female doesn't make them "weepy." We're not here to argue or embarrass each other; we're a fun group really. Do you have to rely on insults and lectures to get by on other sites? Either way, FYI, you don't here.
Welcome to Lush, Wardog.
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Quote by Wardog
Who was "weepy eyed"? Who was whining about the poor "victims". The ONLY thing they were victims OF was their own stupidity. So, lock up the person they idiotically left with photos or videos they SHOULD have known better than to leave behind and then pissed off that person off by screwing around on them or screwing them over in some way. Not army. no high horse. But SPEAKING of high horses; why don't you climb down from yours and EXPECT adults to BE adults and use their heads? Oh, that's just asking WAAY too much isn't it? Better to WHINE about the "innocent victim". And, btw; IF you don't LIKE the way I post, the solution is VERY simple, DON'T READ THEM! Actions have consequences; ADULTS realize that; there enough over grown juveniles in this country now!
No problem, just trying to help you out there, captain. Enjoy!
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Quote by Wardog
I've watched young men DIE because they made foolish mistakes. Pardon me if I'm not all weepy eyed because someone got stupid and left something behind they should REASONABLY have known NOT TOO!
Ah, the whole army high-horse thing. Got it.
Easy on the all-caps, it's a bit annoying when it's done in every post. By the way, who was all weepy-eyed?
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Quote by Wardog
Folks, ANY consenting adult SHOULD reasonably know better than to LEAVE photos or video of them doing ANYTHING they wouldn't want the world to see in the hands of a "former" lover. Sorry, but I have neither sympathy nor pity for the terminally stupid.
Therefore victims deserve no protection? I'm glad I don't live in your world, where people are no longer entitled to privacy or protection once they've made mistakes.
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Quote by Wardog
Kids and elders have never seen eye to eye; nothing new. Let the little girl show her ignorance (I'd rather see her ass.)
Same. It's not bad at all, is it?
Show of hands, all Lush members who never said anything stupid that later in life they regretted after gaining wisdom and insight.
The difference being that unlike Miley, talk show hosts and paparazzi don't follow us around to record the stupid shit that we say. She'll find out differently in her own time.
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I like the song- always like his verses too. The video's funny, though. I like how clearly they're evoking sex on the motorcycle, but she looks like she's trying to figure long-division in her head. She seems sedated throughout the whole thing, actually- or maybe its just her lack of personality.
I also notice lately how she seems to be morphing into Jennifer Lopez with bigger breasts; I wonder if it's intentional.
I also notice lately how she seems to be morphing into Jennifer Lopez with bigger breasts; I wonder if it's intentional.
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That damn Aviici, plus or minus an 'i' in there somewhere. It's even spelled annoyingly. That song, "Wake me Up" is a heap of garbage. The worst parts of acoustic pop and electronica all bottled up to make us insane for 3 and a half minutes.
Oh, and Mumford & Sons, screw you for the fact that everyone's throwing a quick-strummed guitar and a banjo into everything these days. You just made the list!
Oh, and Mumford & Sons, screw you for the fact that everyone's throwing a quick-strummed guitar and a banjo into everything these days. You just made the list!
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Quote by MadMartigan
My point was not really so much about sexual experience so much as sexual compatibility with the person you're marrying.
You could both be inexperienced, yet wind up hitting it off sexually right off the bat or down the line.
Or you don't, yet end up having an affair and the compatibility is better leading you do wonder: did I make the right choice?
Now do all the different scenarios, only with the lack of sexual compatibility with your spouse.
That's, personally, why I think sex your potential spouse has some level of importance before tying the knot.
Of course, you know know what you don't know. But do you wanna risk that with someone I'd hope you genuinely love?
I'd rather learn we weren't sexually compatible before marriage, then after when one or both of us starts to stray or blows things up indirectly because of sexual frustration and not being able to find a comfortable level of intimacy with a loved one.
That all makes sense, but if you were totally inexperienced (and thus ignorant) sexually, you wouldn't even understand "sexual compatibility" as a concept. You would not know if you were compatible or not. You would just have sex, and it would either be awesome, or bad, or somewhere in between. All the while, you would just assume that's what sex was like in general, since you had no further frame of reference.
Of course all this is moot. I'd never shack up with a guy before we fucked- several times.
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Quote by MadMartigan
Be honest here. Could you tolerate a marriage where the sex was horrid and dispassionate? Could you do it without being swayed into an affair or some such?
That's a really interesting question. I think about that sometimes- like what if I'd never had sex untiil I was married and then it really sucked? But the thing is, you don't know what you don't know. If you're that inexperienced, you probably just think sex as a concept was way overrated, or that you just suck at it. Or (most likely) you're in some sort of fundamentalist religious sect that teaches you it's not really for pleasure anyway, which ushers in your lifelong career of frequent but furtive masturbation.
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I'm Counselor X- The Lush Hammer!
Danielle Something might make them pay, but I make them hurt!
Your online husband done you wrong? I'll HAMMER them for all they've got!
Your online wife fooling around in the chat rooms? I'll HAMMER her image.
I'll get your .gifs back!
I'll get your friends to side with you!
I'll make sure those vote-bombs are taken care of as well.
Come to the best, jilted Lush-spouses: Counselor X, the LUSH HAMMER!
Danielle Something might make them pay, but I make them hurt!
Your online husband done you wrong? I'll HAMMER them for all they've got!
Your online wife fooling around in the chat rooms? I'll HAMMER her image.
I'll get your .gifs back!
I'll get your friends to side with you!
I'll make sure those vote-bombs are taken care of as well.
Come to the best, jilted Lush-spouses: Counselor X, the LUSH HAMMER!
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Quote by Nikki703
Yeah, I would only cyber marry if it can be an open relationship.
Cyber Marriage could be fun, but with my marriage history, he would probably figure out a way to give me a cyber beating leading to a virtual restraining order ending up in an on-line divorce!!
It's telling that out of all possible interpersonal functions, the one that's built into the site already is the restraining order (block member)
I really, really need a 'block member' option in real life.
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Quote by Nikki703
All Great Points!!
And do you have to pay alimony? And what about Pre-nups? If I got married on-line and we shared pics, I would want them back if we broke up!! Also is on-line polygamy allowed? Would being married on-line and IRL be Polygamy?
I'm not online-marrying anyone without polyamory being part of the deal. Just throwing that out there.
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My only thoughts are further questions:
If you're online-married, is it a pre-requisite that you be real-life single?
Can you get online-anulled after you've cyber-consummated the marriage?
How lengthy is the online-divorce process?
Has anyone ever had online-kids? (if so, don't comment...actually, just forget I asked that)
Are there online honeymoons?
Those are all serious questions.
Okay, one more:
Is there online-marriage counseling?
If you're online-married, is it a pre-requisite that you be real-life single?
Can you get online-anulled after you've cyber-consummated the marriage?
How lengthy is the online-divorce process?
Has anyone ever had online-kids? (if so, don't comment...actually, just forget I asked that)
Are there online honeymoons?
Those are all serious questions.
Okay, one more:
Is there online-marriage counseling?
