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I believe we had reached the "I'm voting third party so the suffering of others will teach the Democrats a lesson when the Republicans win" part of the conversation before we all got sidetracked.
That’s the part that I find the most crazy.
Like they expect Trump winning will make Palestine hold out for 5 years while the Green Party wins the presidency, senate and house because people will be THAT mad at Trump?
House passes military bill automatically registering men 18-26 for draft.
House is Republican controlled by the way.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-passes-defense-bill-automatically-registering-men-draft
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Same way the Trump victory propelled the BLM movement and radicalized the youth vote to the far left. Because the only way you can get the Democrats to oppose a crime against humanity is to have a Republican in office.
American protesters flooding the streets is the only way anything will change in Palestine. Because the function of a Biden or Trump presidency in regards to Palestine is exactly the same. A racist, genocidal colonial attack supported by people like you.
He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps perpetuate it. He who accepts evil without protesting it is really cooperating with it.
Lol
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Voting for a third party is not an endorsement of Trump. It’s a vote to oppose the entire system that starves children, enforces genocide, perpetuates war for profit, and destroys the planet as a unilateral American policy regardless of which of the two parties you enforce.
Honestly you’re more aligned with Trump than I am. You enforce 95% of his policies, because it’s the same as Biden’s. You are far more of a Trump suppose than I am. You want the same things he does. You support the same far right policies that cause the issue you brought up.
But it is.. because voting for a third party is essentially a vote for Trump. Don’t be silly. Plus you literally said you want Trump to win. Wanting a candidate to win IS an endorsement for that candidate. You can’t have it both ways.
And you still haven’t answered how a Trump presidency would help Palestinians.
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And you’ve proven my point, you’re lack of response to any issue I pointed out shows you really know nothing about the region. The past or even current events outside of what pro-American news sites report. You don’t know the history or the current political climate within the country.
Again… The question was, how does a Trump presidency help the conflict in Ukraine?
And also how does a Trump presidency, like you said you want, help Palestinians? You never made that clear either.
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Don’t worry, while the Democrats were in power out UN rep voted against making food access a human right.
But the Dems voted for a space train and $850 billion in military expenses. Like the Palestinian genocide issue, it looks like if I want a candidate that gives a damn about child hunger I’ll need to vote third party.
But you said you were voting for a third party so Trump would win. How would voting for a third party do anything.. are you saying the republicans will increase social services? The republicans voted against providing free lunch in schools.
Lol
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Oh, you’re not ready for a conversation about Ukraine. Wanna talk about Bogdan Syrotiuk? America’s role in causing the war? The Obama administration’s role in escalating violence in the region? The Azov Assault Brigade? The denial of any new elections? The extreme corruption of the Ukrainian government? The banning of socialist web sites? The attack on anti-war protesters from the Ukrainian government? Zelenskyy dissolving parliament?
I don’t think you’re educated enough on the subject to hold that conversation.
Ok cool that damn Obama! He's not even American! 🤬 Zelenskyy bad!
The question was, how does a Trump presidency help the conflict in Ukraine?
Ok go.
Right now there are 13 million children living with hunger in the United States. I wonder what needs to happen for far left virtue signalers to sit in the street or do whatever they do to “help”.
Please.
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Numbers of dead Palestinians, who are mostly women, children, and elderly people are now at 40,000 since the start of the year. This largely includes bombings of refuge camps, hospitals, schools, and food distribution centers.
This was all done with American weaponry that we provided. Since that time Biden has called for unconditional extra funding of the Israeli military. Biden wishes the same deaths upon the Palestinian people as Trump.
So what does a third party protest vote do? It shows you cannot run as a left wing candidate, support a genocide, and win. It alters future party decisions on candidates. It creates the need to change policy if you want to stay in power.
And mostly I can sleep at night knowing I’m not voting for genocide. Maybe you can sleep with that but I can’t.
I don’t know why this is such a hard concept but voting for a candidate is offering your support to their policies and actions. A vote for Biden or Trump is a vote condoning the way they ran the country and the actions they’ve taken abroad.
And what about Ukraine? How does protest voting for Trump help the conflict in Ukraine? Or do they not count? And what about Americans? How does another Trump presidency help Americans?
Both would be bad for Palestinians, Trump probably worse.. but one would be more bad for literally everyone.
Smart.
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Totally, they should just abolish democracy and force people to vote the way you want them too. Why give people a choice am I right?
So how exactly does protest voting for a third party in America help Palestinians?
This is why people who say they’re protest voting for a 3rd party to send Biden and the democrats a message about Palestinian genocide are totally full of shit. Pure virtue signaling.
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I really don’t care what you do. I’m addressing what you said, not you. Feel free to respond (which you always do even when you have nothing to say) but don’t expect your calls for blind subservience to the Democrats to go without response. Now go ahead and hear your head roar if you like, I’m going to stick to the topic at hand from here on out.
Lol ok
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It's a counter-point, baby doll, so people know what I was responding to. There were posts in between. With how you troll the forums, I would have hoped you gleaned how this works by now.
If I thought you were the only person reading responses it wouldn't be worth my time to type them.
There isn’t though.. you responded to me expressing, once again, your useful idiocy for Trump. I got it.. what do you want from me? To pat you on the head and say very good Rowan! You’re not a child.. stop asking me to treat you like one.
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I'm not talking to you, sweetness. You have no sense and live in a similar reality of unthinking black and whites as Trump supporters.
This is a public forum and you're not the only person who reads these. The point of voting third party isn't to win in this election. It's to send a message and break control from third parties. To me the slow and methodical totalitarianism of the Democrats is more dangerous than Trump. Trump inspires marches in the streets and people fighting back against oppression. Trump radicalizes the left, and that's the only way we get out of this corporate-inspired apocalypse we're marching toward now.
You literally quoted me and put that long response.. what in the world? Lol
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Biden did not have a landslide victory in 2020. He won many key states by thin margins. One of the biggest demographics he held was the youth vote. Current polling shows that the youth vote is now more divided than ever with 30% of those who voted in 2020 or first-time voters saying they will vote third party or not at all. An additional 10% are now undecided.
Key States like Georgia had an astounding 55% voter turnout in the under-30 category, something that sadly is a record in America for that state.
Another key thing to remember is youth activism was huge for the Biden campaign. College students were a workhorse for the 2020 campaign, getting new people registered to vote or spreading messages on social media helped propel him in many states. But this year we had the Biden administration actively defending police action and arrests of protestors on campuses.
Similarly, Biden's recent asylum restrictions have soured another key voting demographic in his 2020 victory, Latino voters. He's lost much of that support while Trump's base remains unmoved. Biden's asylum policy was made hoping he would win votes over from Trump, but the Trump voters are unmoving.
His repeated backing of corporations and oil companies, opening more drilling than Trump did, caving to any demand Manchin made and starting drilling in the Appalachian Mountains have soured environmentalists.
Touting the Dow numbers do nothing to sway 90% of Americans who own no stock. All they see are record profits and no foreseeable way to afford homes. Record income inequality is pushed by Biden policies just as much as Trump's did. As the lower and disappearing middle class struggle, Biden celebrates metrics that will draw no new voters to him.
The point here is that the 2020 election was not won by wooing one demographic, it was won by inches and enticing many different groups to come out and vote for Biden. He's shown over the last four years that he holds no loyalty to those who voted for him and is far more concerned with trying to peel away from the 'swing voters' that don't really exist. Appealing to the poor, the minorities, the huddled masses is how the Democrats win elections. Instead, they appeal to Super PACS, the richest Americans, and corporate lobbyists hoping to win this election with a large war chest rather than grass roots efforts.
You’re making a case for not voting for a 3rd party, dummy. Because Trump winning will not make any of this go away, so braindead to think that.. And a 3rd party will not win. And a third party will be bought and sold just as easily. Not sure why you keep telling me things I already know, I’m not going to be pro-trump no matter what you say.
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People could make their own choices about COVID-19, a global pandemic that nobody was truly prepared for. I don't excuse it and your own country should probably have done something about it but this is not the same and in extremely poor taste.
Of course, this is exactly what Magical Felix said. Americans don't care about Genocide, why would they when they are almost always making money from it 😊
99.99% of Americans aren’t profiting from war but half of them have been brainwashed to vote against their own interests. For decades.
I mean Trump is now saying he will get rid of income tax… which makes dumb people think they will now have 30% more money but in reality the corporations, landlords, government etc. will still find a way to get that 30% from everyone. It’s like when he said Mexico will pay for the wall. It’s just stupid.
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Trumps campaign online has been exceptional. Partnering with Dr Phil and now going on Logan Paul’s podcast he’s reaching a huge and diverse demographic. Pair that with the no-doubt paid for headlines of Biden freezing inexplicably for a full minute (among loads of others) at some conference across publications.
All this to say that Democrats consistently underestimate Trump. They think that nobody could ever be that stupid. It’s a dangerous mindset because it’s geographical and subject to the echo chambers of your friends and family and even to a large extent this forum. If you know anything about voting, you know that large ideological issues like the genocide don’t mobilise voters to swap sides, it makes them abstain from voting. The net result is the same. Voter turnout is a huge issue when problems come up like the genocide because voters don’t want to vote for that party and support it inadvertently and they don’t vote the alternative for obvious reasons.
I hope the democrats invest heavily in getting their voters out the door.
As an American who talks to Americans offline everyday, the genocide in Gaza is not a talking point at all. Even when I’ve brought up what’s going on in Israel, Americans either don’t know, don’t care, or are supportive of Israel because “terrorism is bad”. It’s not as big of a single issue as it seems online amongst people who are already aware and either searching content about it or getting it recommended to them. The reality is that it’s not in the news here or on peoples minds. Not saying that’s right or wrong but it’s not a huge single issue that will get a majority or Americans to vote for a 3rd party. If anything, far left voters will get Trump elected again, ironically. Like you say, either they just won’t vote or 3rd party vote which is the same thing really. Biden being an old bag of bones hurts him yes and some might just not vote which is great for Trump. Going to be an annoying four years at best, dangerous at worst, no matter what.
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cause that is somehow meaning full, screaming monkey?
Calling minorities "monkey" is a slur.
The real purpose of the third parties in America. It's simple math.
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Vote for Biden to express your tacit approval of genocide, so long as we’re speaking in broad and overreaching terms.
Trump supports Israel, dummy.
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Stop funding foreign wars. Apparently you can’t be arsed to read.
lol
What's the green party going to do about it? Borrow some money from Russia to go plant a tree in Israel?
lol
Green Party criticism and controversies
Some political analysts argue that the party's tickets have resulted in elections beingspoiledfor theDemocratic Party, withRepublicancandidates winning – most notablyGeorge W. Bush's defeat of Al Gore in 2000[21][22][23][24]andd1lTurgASL3dItfl.KtlAxAZDLVBCbwEJIn 2019, former Green presidential candidateRalph NadertoldThe Washingtonianthat, while he still does not consider himself a spoiler, he regretted not entering the 2000 Democratic primary.vZMCxb0CkRekR58qA 2020The New York Timesarticle highlighted previous efforts by members of the Republican Party to use the Green Party to spoil elections in their party's favor.CFAGDnMkNtJSL1vU
Russia
TheUnited States Senate's probe into Russian election interference investigatedJill Steinand the Green Party for potential collusion and looked to better understand why and how Russia was promoting the party.KAuWgly2vcutcdnrPoliticoandNewsweekreported that Russian state actors covertly promoted Stein and other Green Party candidates onFacebookprior to theEF7TaRP78rmwwAZB.qsPZJsCf6GKQvB9vRE71hjpyNlsl4ieENBC Newsreported that a "growing body of evidence [exists] that [shows] the Russians worked to boost the Stein campaign as part of the effort to siphon support away from Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and tilt the election to Trump."[55]NBC News additionally documented over 100 instances where Stein appeared on Russian state media, receiving favorable coverage.uw9nA32bOX8co1O2In 2015, Stein was photographed dining at the same table as Russian presidentVladimir Putinat theRT10th anniversary gala in Moscow, leading to further controversy.rxeBTkkh4Ua0AMNGStein contended that she had no contact with Putin at the dinner and described the situation as a "non-event".[57]
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Irregularities
On October 16, 2019, a joint candidate letter called for reform in the Green Party's presidential primary process in response to the party's announcement that it would remove unrecognized candidates from its website list that November, an effort which Green candidates claimed was being to done to help theHawkins campaignsecure the party's nomination.AysYAeOBE38ZEYVkThis was followed by allegations ofconflicts of interestamong the party's leadership, members of which the candidates believed were helping party co-founderHowie Hawkins, and of an alleged overlooking of a violation of Green Party rules that would have disqualified Hawkins from running as a Green, due to him also seeking theSocialist Party's nomination.WHJL4IEuwnamN7mi
After the 2020 Green Party Nominating Convention named Hawkins as their presidential candidate, runner-upDario Hunterannounced viaTwitterthat he would continue to pursue the presidency as an independent candidate.sOZNh2aJBNSgyAqnHunter cited alleged irregularities and undemocratic processes throughout the Green Party presidential primary, stating that party leaders had committed “ethical lapses” to ensure Hawkins nomination, and criticizing Hawkins for what he saw as his "imperialistperspective" and "CIAtalking points.”NmNjtjxmHvuiZR82Cm6yZqyohHuqu5Gm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Party_of_the_United_States
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These guys sound a lot like the freedom caucus lol, especially the Russia part.
Green Party Candidate Cornell West Owes more than Half a Million Dollars in Unpaid Taxes and Child Support
Philosopher and presidentialGreen Party candidateCornel Westcurrently owes more than half a million dollars between unpaid taxes and unpaid child support, according to tax records.
Records show West owes nearly $466,000 in federal income taxes from 2013 until 2017. This came after he accrued (and later repaid) a debt of nearly $725,000 from 1998-2005, and more than $34,000 in 2008, according to tax records in Mercer County, New Jersey – where he owns a home.
Additionally, West has an outstanding $49,500 child support judgement from 2003, records show.
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No.
Quieting down like this is fine too, thank you.
