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The bourbon-bar has been losing quite a bit of its badass charm in the last few days. I even think that some weaklings pissed in my drink while I was busy ogling the outrageous titties of a few Dixie chicks.





Here's me fiercely kicking the jukebox and tipping my hat to the state that offered us all those wonderful bourbons...

Kentucky - Hermano (2007)

Gun it down
Oh, will you run it down?
He never slows it down
He never pilots down

Down on a boat on Havasu
Smoking bolt of thunder
Take a toast again
Drink to the couples at the edge of the lake

Rhythm and booze
I'm not in the mood to sleep, honey
It takes all night, only in the wake of
In the wake of, only in the wake of Kentucky

Smoked again
Let's take all night
No time to lose
50-to-1 never to lose
He never fought a man
With nothing to prove

I said lift him up, bring him down
Sing the song again
Only in the wake of
In the wake of, only in the wake of Kentucky

Gun it down
Oh, will you run it down?
He never slows it down
He never pilots down

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could be. someone else's gotta bring the snacks, tho. i sure as hell aren't.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_and_Coke

What are we talking about again?

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I can't speak for you guys in the US, but the hilarious thing is that calling a 'Makers and Coke' in a bar here in Montreal would actually lead to much more confusion than that (and I'm suspecting the exact same for just about every country that isn't swimming in bourbon like yours). A bottle of Maker's Mark costs $50 around here; it's totally up there with Grey Goose as a top-shelf bottle. If you consider that bars establish their prices with a 500% markup (which all of them do), you'd be quite literally pouring your drink from a $250 bottle.

Now consider that many bourbon connoisseurs (which most bartenders are) even find diluting a high-quality bourbon with sugar and a tiny splash of a water in an Old Fashioned to be an outright profanity, and you can only imagine their reaction when you'll be asking them to dilute a top-shelf bourbon in cheap Coca-Cola. Let me remind you that Liz who is still allegedly a bourbon newbie went through the trouble of buying herself whiskey stones to make goddamn sure that even melting ice wouldn't taint her precious Maker's Mark.

So a bartender in Montreal (or elsewhere) being asked a 'Makers and Coke' is just going to wonder what the fuck you want exactly. You're asking him to grab one of his top-shelf bottles, surely you want to appreciate it fully and not completely dilute it in the cheapest mixer imaginable in a tall Collins glass, right? So you probably want your Maker's Mark with just a tiny splash of Coke in an Old Fashioned glass, correct? And in the situation where you truly want a highball, why exactly call a drink that's twice as expensive as a good old $10 Jack and Coke when your bourbon is going to be so much diluted that even experts couldn't tell the goddamn difference? At which point, yeah, plenty of bartenders around the world would totally have a much easier time getting your drift if you just referred to a well-established Jack and Coke with a different type of whiskey. They'll still be completely obliviously to your weird rationale, but at least they'll know how to proceed.

Here's the list of famed whiskey cocktails as presented by Wikipedia. Thousands of whiskeys around the world (including bourbon, rye, Scotch, Irish, blended) and dozens of possible mixers, and Jack and Coke is absolutely there among these few limited prestigious drinks. Where in hell is your Makers and Coke exactly? Where is even your extremely generic Whiskey and Coke, or Bourbon and Coke?




The reality is that 'Makers and Coke' isn't an established drink with a fixed recipe any more than 'Gin and Milk' is; it's just two random ingredients put together. Hilariously enough, Google only returns 40,000 results for 'Makers and Coke', while 'Gin and Milk' returns 180,000 results. And 'Jack and Coke' actually returns twice as many results in Google than the extremely inclusive 'Whiskey and Coke' does.

So allow me to reiterate: Jack and Coke isn't just the name of two random ingredients put together like Makers and Coke or any other silly drink is; it's the name of a goddamn cocktail that has well over a hundred years of history (1907) and that's insanely popular all around the world. Jack Daniel's is by fucking far the best-selling whiskey in history, while Coca-Cola is by fucking far the best-selling soft drink, and they're both pillars of southern American culture with extremely similar success stories that date back to the exact same era (circa 1880). That's the whole charm of the Jack and Coke, that sort of trashy old-fashioned spirit that still holds its ground admirably well among all these other posh drinks. Not only that, but it just so happens that the particular sweetness of Jack Daniel's harmonizes with Coca-Cola better than 95% of other whiskeys out there, even better than most top-shelf whiskeys in the $50-100 range. Even the name 'Jack and Coke' has an extremely catchy sound to it and their respective vintage logos look badass as fuck when shown together:





For all these reasons Jack and Coke will always remain a classic benchmark cocktail and the absolute epitome of 'Whiskey and Coke', just like Kleenex® is to kleenexes or Speedos® is to speedos. And likewise, a Beam and Coke will always remain a poor man's Jack and Coke, while a Makers and Coke will always remain an extravagant man's Jack and Coke. You and Felix getting all finicky when I mention my own standards when I'm mixing myself a Jack and Coke is just as retarded as telling someone that his 'Rum and Diet Pepsi' isn't quite the same as the famous 'Rum and Coke'; it's just so goddamn face-palm inducing.

Felix deliberately played the imbecile to feed a grudge that's a few days old; you managed to outdo him by buying right into his imbecility to feed a grudge that's nearly a year old.

So fucking brilliant, I think I'll be drinking to that.

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You have friends!! You meant to post that 1st April?

lol sorry I just couldnt resist that

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Dude, are you just mad because I totally owned your ass in that other thread?

Poor you, seems like your 'brevity' even fails at evacuating your frustrations satisfactorily.

And since I'm starting to believe that you're genuinely dense rather than just playing a dense character, let me explain it to you. 'Jack and Coke' is quite literally a mixology colloquialism which is used much more often than 'Bourbon and Coke' or any other insignificant drink that you came up with. If I was in a restaurant and I'd like to order a 'fish and chips' with mashed potatoes instead of fries, I wouldn't be dumb enough to call a 'fish and mashed potatoes'; I'd call a 'fish and chips' with mashed potatoes. Arguably a 'Makers and Coke' or 'Bulleit and Coke' is still a 'Jack and Coke' mixed with a different whiskey, and I personally much prefer my own 'Jack and Coke' with the original Jack Daniel's. Simple enough?

Hopefully one day you'll understand the subtleties of language and break out of your handicapping [s]stupidity[/s] brevity.

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Jack and Coke is a staple cocktail while other Bourbon and Coke variations really aren't though.

So yeah, Jack and Coke is pretty much the gold-standard of Bourbon and Coke (and the one I prefer to mix).

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Well if we are to include skipping then this...

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I too use both Jack Daniel's and bourbon interchangeably in cocktails, but for some reason I've always preferred using Jack Daniel's in a proper Jack and Coke. It's mostly a superstitious preference just to remain 100% true to the drink (although Bourbon and Coke is a perfectly valid drink too), but when the summer arrives and I tend to drink highballs more regularly to quench my thirst, I usually prefer to buy Jack Daniel's to mix myself plenty of Jack and Coke.

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I think of Jack Daniels as a bourbon. Bourbon itself is a whiskey. I'd bet Jack Daniels never labeled their product as a bourbon or bourbon whiskey to separate themselves for marketing reasons as you suggested and part of an Tennessee vs Kentucky rivalry.

The best way for you to decide for yourselves is to do your own taste test.

I've found you can substitute Jack Daniels in any drink mix requiring a bourbon and no one knows the difference.

Drink up!

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Are you seriously that dense? You're at least minimally intelligent enough to realize that George Lucas doesn't actually intend to destroy entire planets as Darth Vader does, right? The ideas and affirmations emitted by fictive characters solely represent the perspective of those characters, absolutely nothing else.

Look dude, I really do appreciate your cyber-persona where you're cleverly concealing your own lack of articulateness into some kind of funny retarded character that can hardly write more than two successive coherent sentences. I seriously do, it's highly entertaining and genuinely makes me laugh every goddamn time. But please don't be absurd enough to proclaim that Shakespeare was your main source of inspiration when he was the perfect archetype of flamboyant eloquence and literary splendor, the absolute antithesis of what you stand for yourself.

You're making me curious about your reading habits though. When a friend allegedly sends you an interesting article, do you expect a persuasive multi-paragraphed text or two miserable sentences? When you reach for a fascinating book, do you grab a convoluted story of a few hundred pages or a children's book educating you about the importance of pooping hygiene? When you're educating yourself about the history of Europe, do you rely on encyclopedic volumes or are you satisfied with a shitty pamphlet announcing that the medieval fair will soon hit your town?

One day you might find that the 'brevity' that you advocate unavoidably has severe limitations…

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Yeah, sounds it!

Imagine, relaxing in a glorious bubble bath, slowly placing your favourite piece of chocolate in your mouth then bam! An explosion of salty cum. No thanks!

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Not to worry. You will find your badge still residing in my heart.

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Without a doubt, chocolate.

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Kiera told me to be nice to you, otherwise i wouldn't have held back.

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Certainly not.

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Surely there are heaps of things you can say without any fear of sexual harrassment; its the touching you have to be very careful of.

You look radiant today or a more specific compliment on the attire... the hair... the shoes... whatever.

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I think maybe...

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Didn't you mean to communicate that to DamonX? He had a long post directly addressed to you while I clearly didn't.

And the character who pronounced those words wasn't wise at all. That Shakespearean character was an old senile fool whose just about every judgment proved to be utterly misguided and preposterous throughout Hamlet. Shakespeare actually mostly used that character for comic relief and intentionally packed his dialogue with a hefty dose of completely absurd and ironic statements. The play Hamlet itself was Shakespeare's longest and arguably the most prestigious of all English literature. There goes your silly lesson about brevity.

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Yeah, sarcasm or not, this is really fucking creepy.

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You know, you'll go back into stir when you get caught failing to register, everytime you relocate to a new residence.

Perhaps you should've considered that before you repeatedly leaned in hard with dubious intent.

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Oh no, I totally missed the highlights of this ferocious skirmish and literally just walked into the battle as the hostilities are slowly subsiding. Who the fuck am I going to swing those nunchakus at now that the fighting is over? Damon? Felix? Anyone? That will teach me to fly over to some exotic destination right during an intense period of rut...

*dejectedly removes his Karate Kid bandana and sighs over the sound of debris still haphazardly falling from the ceiling*

Seriously, a few statements almost triggered me to write yet another of my long usual essays but I'll just let it all slide for now, especially since this whole thread wasn't even about fighting to start with and I'm rather late to the party. It's quite likely that I'll create a thread about martial arts in the near future however, that might prove to be a whole lot of fun.

Concerning the validity of some martial arts though, and since this is a thread about Olympic Games, quite a few of them weren't even intended for realistic street fights to begin with. A lot were purposely created as watered-down sports (like judo or boxing), a lot were intended as cultural/artistic visual wonders similar to dancing (like the hundred different styles of wushu), a lot were simply established for physical conditioning or various health benefits (like cardio-kickboxing or Tai Chi).

Most of these styles don't even deny that reality in the slightest (although plenty of idiotic instructors will still attempt to convince you that their flimsy martial art is the greatest thing in the whole fucking universe). The founder of judo (Jigoro Kano) intentionally took the most brutal techniques out of jiu-jitsu to create the 'spiritual sport' which judo is renowned as today (while funnily enough, Brazilian jiu-jitsu is based on judo and essentially reinstated all those forgotten techniques). Even Muay Thai is an entertaining sport which emerged out of the much more undisciplined Muay Boran.

So yeah, all martial arts weren't created equally in terms of real-fighting applicability, but that certainly doesn't strip the majority of these sports from their validity as an extremely demanding or highly entertaining physical activity. While we're at it, well over 90% of sports are utterly useless in terms of real-life applicability. As an obvious example, when's the last time that a situation required of you to run for 2 hours straight?

While I'd be the first to agree with DamonX that taekwondo really doesn't offer the best bang for your buck regarding fighting skills, it's still a sport that I'm personally quite impressed by. Case in point:

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What exactly is your point? That eye gauging or finger biting are effective? Of course they are. So is pulling out a gun or a knife. All of those are not allowed.

But every human being on earth has the ability to do that. Martial arts are about doing what other people can't do.

What are we arguing now? That TKD is an effective martial art? It's been objectively shown to be not an effective fighting style.

And yes, grapplers are put at a disadvantage when it comes to UFC.

If you watch UFC 7-20 you see what happens when there are no stand ups and no time limits. A wrestler takes the other guy down and mauls him for 40 minutes. It's not exactly crowd pleasing. So they changed the rules.

I am perfectly willing to engage in this topic, but please do your research. This isn't an opinion based argument. You can't rely on sophistry to make your point.

You can call it "chest beating", but you're honestly just barking from a much lower level of knowledge with regards to this particular subject.

I'm sure that you are more knowledgeable that me in some things.

This isn't one of those things.