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Quote by dpw

1. Quote me where I state gay men aren't fit to be parents.
2. I have never said that the children are/will be bullied, I have said that it may put them in a position that might lead to bullying, a concern raised by the ongoing study by Cambridge University which reported earlier this year. Which by the way is the FIRST such study in the world of children adopted couples.
3. The American studies are theoretical not based on "gay adoption"
4. Surely you should be asking were there no men in my life?
5. Gender is not the same as orientation
6. Why have you got this thing about gay men? You chose to single them out before you knew I was gay.
7. Personally if anyone needs counselling (note the spelling) it's surely you. The vitriol is palpable, you need help.


1. You have intimated throughout this discussion that you don't believe gay men should be allowed to adopt children. If you thought that they would make fit parents, you wouldn't be so dead set against them adopting.

2. Once again, you have intimated that children raised by same sex parents would be bullied. If you don't think that they'd be bullied, what is your argument?

3. The studies were done using couples who are actual real life human beings who have adopted children. There are plenty of studies if you want to search them out. I'm not doing any more work for you because you are determined not to let any of the studies change your ming.

4. I asked if there were no women in your life because you insist that a child raised in a two male household can't have any feminine influences. Do you think all gay men live in a womanless bubble? If you had a child, don't you have women friends who would influence their lives?

5. What does that have to do with anything?

6. You didn't just appear on this thread. You've been her awhile. I read the forums, I look at people's profiles, I have known you were gay for quite awhile. You haven't been trying to keep it a secret. How could I not have known you were gay is a better question. I'm not going back and look for every reference you have made to being a gay man, but this is from your profile page:

Name:
Derek
Date Joined:
15 Sep 2013
Last Visit:
04 Nov 2013 (1 hour ago)
Sex:
Male
Age:
59
Sign:
Scorpio
Relationship Status:
Single
Orientation
Gay
Location:
Merseyside, United Kingdom

It's right there under Orientation.

7. Nothing I have said to you is personal. Don't think that it is. This thread isn't about you either, it's about children who need homes who are being blocked from adoption by people like you, both gay and straight.

Stop attacking me and do something useful.
Quote by dpw

I find it amazing the number of people that throw out comments that show they either haven't read the thread or haven't understood a post. Nowhere in all my posts have I shown prejudice against gay men, show me! If you can't I will expect an apology or aren't you so quick at writing those?


This was my original statement on your prejudice.

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I think you're carrying around a dangerous prejudice. You may be letting your personal feelings about gay men interfere with reason. If you are so prejudiced against gay men that you are unwilling to accept evidence that they make good parents, you don't really have an informed opinion, just a prejudice


I have seen nothing in any of your subsequent replies that makes me believe that you are not prejudiced. Do you even know what prejudiced means? You can be gay and be prejudiced against gay men. You have proven that with your remarks on their unsuitability as parents.

Your belief that gay men aren't fit to be parents isn't based on logic or evidence, but on your own feelings on the matter. Those feelings are prejudice. Studies show that your feelings are wrong, that actually gay men do make good parents. Children need to be adopted into loving homes, gay men can provide loving homes. The only reason you don't want them to adopt children is because they are gay.

That is prejudice. You are prejudiced. Try to overcome your prejudice rather than asking me to apologize for telling you the truth.

Your points that children raised by gay men are bullied in school don't hold water either. If only children raised by gay men were bullied in school, you might have a point, or if no children being raised by gay men were ever bullies, that might prove some sort of point, but it doesn't.

All sorts of couples and single parents have children who are bullies and children who are bullied. You are trying to force a link that just doesn't exist to make yourself feel better about your beliefs.

Your beliefs are wrong. They are hateful, and you need to get over them. Seek counseling, get into therapy, find out why you really have those feelings. And don't come back saying that I said you are hateful. I said your beliefs are hateful. Your beliefs are prejudiced.

Quote by dpw

With same sex parents there will always be a lack of maternal or paternal instincts, there is a lack of one type of role model for gender behaviour. Children learn this both consciously and subconsciously. There is an even greater problem if one of the children is the opposite sex to the parents, the parents have never experienced things that the child is.


Are there no women in your life? None of us live in a bubble. Children don't need a man and a woman in the home to learn gender behaviour. Did you learn to be gay? I certainly didn't learn to be a straight woman from my mother. There are all kinds of things that effect a child's gender identity, but being raised in a home with two sex same parents doesn't seem to be one of them.

There are studies that say you are wrong. You told Sprite that a hundred videos wouldn't change your mind. Do you not realize that that is because of your prejudice? You have an idea formed in your mind that is so deep that even facts and evidence can't change your mind. That is prejudice.

You posted my entire post, which included references to several studies that prove you wrong, but the only thing you wanted to talk about was that I called you prejudiced. You accuse me of not reading the thread, then absolutely refuse to respond to any evidence or offer any of your own. You only go back to your gut instincts which tell you that gay men shouldn't be raising children. You arm your self with reasons why, ignoring the fact that studies show you that your reasons are wrong, and you don't think that is prejudice?

What would you call it?
Quote by dpw

Oh I'm very prejudiced!
I AM A GAY MAN!
I'v never stated ONCE that same sex couples don't make wonderful parents. Pleas read my posts I state quite clearly that it is society that is at fault, other children and often their parents are discriminatory and cruel.
If society isn't ready I am not in favour of a child being used as a guinea pig. If and when a study is done in the UK of the children that have been adopted by same sex couples and it shows that they didn't suffer from bullying or discrimination, then and only then will I be in favour of it! If it poves the opposite then I'd hope the law would be repealed, although I doubt that would happen.
Me! Prejudiced! I didn't know whether to laugh or cry!


You are prejudiced. It doesn't matter if you're a gay man. You have a prejudice. You won't let facts enlighten you. You harbor the belief that gay men can't raise children. That's a prejudice. Children don't have to be raised by gay men to suffer from bullying and discrimination you know. Kids being raised in foster homes, group homes and orphanages get plenty of that too. At least if a child has a home, there is a place safe from the bullies.
Quote by dpw

Don't hate me for this but at the moment I am vehemently opposed to gay men adopting. I realise I'm setting myself up as a target but it is a strongiy held opinion that it isn't in the best interest of a child.


According to Children’s Bureau of the Administration for Children and Families of the United States Department of Health and Human Services, there are 123,000 children considered orphans awaiting adoption in the U. S. If you feel that it is in the best interest of a child to be raised in an institution, a group home or be shuttled about from foster home to foster home rather than adopted by loving gay parent's, you have obviously not spent much time considering your position.

You say that your primary concern is for the children. There are plenty of studies that say that children raised by two gay parents are as well adjusted as children raised by heterosexual parents.

The study: Can Gay and Lesbian Parents Promote Healthy Development in High-Risk Children Adopted From Foster Care? done by Justin A. Lavner, Jill Waterman and Letitia Anne Peplau showed that there is much benefit for children, even at risk children, from being adopted, and that it didn't matter if they were adopted into hetrosexual or homosexual homes.

"Adoption is known to promote cognitive and emotional development in children from foster care, but policy debates remain regarding whether children adopted by gay and lesbian parents can achieve these positive outcomes. This study compared the cognitive development and behavior problems at 2, 12, and 24 months postplacement of 82 high-risk children adopted from foster care in heterosexual and gay or lesbian households. On average, children in both household types showed significant gains in cognitive development and maintained similar levels of behavior problems over time, despite gay and lesbian parents raising children with higher levels of biological and environmental risks prior to adoptive placement. Results demonstrated that high-risk children show similar patterns of development over time in heterosexual and gay and lesbian adoptive households."

Every major children's health and welfare organization, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, the Child Welfare League of America, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Association of Social Workers, and the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, confirms that gay parents make good parents. The American Medical Association, the nation's largest and most well respected association of physicians, with a membership of more than 200,000, agrees.

I think you're carrying around a dangerous prejudice. You may be letting your personal feelings about gay men interfere with reason. If you are so prejudiced against gay men that you are unwilling to accept evidence that they make good parents, you don't really have an informed opinion, just a prejudice.
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She is frustrated because she has planned a weekend to be with her husband and he decided to get his tires rotated instead. It sounds to me like he is constantly frustrating her, never letting her have her way. He's a bully, making her upset and then making fun of her. He's also an asshole for posting this video. I'm doubt that this argument started in the car. This is probably something that they'd gone over at home. He knew that she was angry with him, and he took advantage of that fact to make her look like a fool for his friends on youtube.

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