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Gave it a quick look on the other site when Molly announced the beta there. I like it so far but that's just doing some quick tinkering on an image from my gallery. Will play with it more tonight or on the weekend.
i tried it out and even i think it's kinda doable, which says a lot lol
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You'd think that any man who was halfway alert would NEVER want to be treated identically to how women have been treated in the United States of America for the last 300 years - when the colonists first arrived on our shores and told the women to unload the damned long boats, clean the hunted animals, cook the meals and mind those children while their at it.
With as much crap as women have had to endure even since the formation of the country in 1776... hard pass.
Why would I want to be treated like a 3rd class person in my own country?
thing is, they are not men. they are women born into the wrong body. that's how it's been described to me by enough who would KNOW. it's not about becoming a woman, it's about outwardly looking as who they really are. and vice versa in the case of FtoM.
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Of course we shouldn't take any right for granted. The right to abortion was rolled back when so many clearly thought it never would be, and that should be a warning to all of us.
Stonewall was a riot, though, not a protest. One with an understandable cause, but not exactly planned or intended to be peaceful. Debate and protest was part of how we won some of our rights, along with lobbying and hard work at the state level. We put up with Westboro's free speech because we had ours too.
I think the specific things you've brought up about trans people (and those that enjoy drag), are those that are only being objected to by people with a religious basis or political agenda. Most people don't care when an adult transitions or who they love, or how they organize their lives.
However, the argument happening around Dr. Stock is about the concerns of making trans women literally identical to women under the law in all areas with no exception. The outcome of doing this doesn't just affect trans people.
Stonewall did not start out as a riot. the riot occured in 1969. protest had been ongoing since 1966 by The Mattachine society who began by having 'sip ins' where they openly displayed their sexuality at bars and taverns. when the bar was raided in 69 it turned into a riot when police officers entered the club, roughed up patrons, and arrested 13 people, including employees and people violating the state’s gender-appropriate clothing statute (female officers would take suspected cross-dressing patrons into the bathroom to check their sex). that was followed by 6 days of protests.
you left out homophobes and bigots. drag queens and trans people are being objected to by people with a religious basis, a political agenda, and homophobes and bigots. but i mean, does that make it ok? oh, it's not everyone who 'objects' to trans people. it's only about 30% of everyone. 30% of 332 million people is what? i'm bad at math, forgive me... about 100 million people, give or take? like you said, most people don't care. enough do. and those who do hold a lot of power. the power, for instance, to enact laws.
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Agreed.
I would argue, though, that we're in a better place now (at least for now) concerning gay rights because we didn't shrink from the debate, even when we were being called abominations and mentally ill.
yes. things are better for now as you say, but those of us this issue affects know that things could change again - a lot of politicians are already actively working on moving things backward once more. Florida is the most vocal offender, but it's not relegated to just that state. if, by debate, you mean protests, like the one's that happened at the Stonewall nightclub, no, we didn't. those were hardly peaceful and non-violent (on the police's part, btw - those whose job it is to serve and protect). gay rights were won through so much more than debate. we endured. we protested. some of us were imprisoned. some of us died. and people wonder why we protest when people come with an agenda geared towards taking away those hard-earned rights again.
seriously, most trans people just want to be left alone to live their lives. why is that such an issue for people? it's really all most of us want, right? just to be left alone and live our lives as long as we're not hurting anyone else. i really would like someone to explain to me how, for example, drag queens are hurting anyone? how transitioning from MtoF or FtoM is hurting anyone? How loving someone of the same gender or whatever gender they choose to classify themselves as is hurting anyone?
so yeah, you think there's not going to be pushback when our rights are threatened? protesting a speaker seems to me to be fairly reasonable to me at this point in time.
A quick, very basic, primer on why Pride is celebrated during the month of June.
The Stonewall Riots, also called the Stonewall Uprising, began in the early hours of June 28, 1969 when New York City police raided the Stonewall Inn, a gay club located in Greenwich Village in New York City. The raid sparked a riot among bar patrons and neighborhood residents as police roughly hauled employees and patrons out of the bar, leading to six days of protests and violent clashes with law enforcement outside the bar on Christopher Street, in neighboring streets and in nearby Christopher Park. The Stonewall Riots served as a catalyst for the gay rights movement in the United States and around the world.
a lot of strides have been made in the US since then. it hasn't always been easy, but things have changed for the better. not going to make a list, but i think most people are aware of the biggies - we'll leave it at that. it's a time of celebration, usually, at least of me. This year, though... this year it feels a little scary. the headlines say it all - all sorts of anti-LGBTQ+ legislation it being introduced, some of it even passed. in Florida a teacher recently was forced to resign after being investigated for "grooming" her crime? Showing a Disney movie called Strange Worlds to her class - one of the characters in it is gay. there's no sex (it's a freaking Disney movie after all). he's just gay. no big. no one's had an issue with watching Disney movies with straight people in them, so what is the difference? oh, right. he's gay.
that's just the tip of the iceberg. this coming month comes with its own stresses, at least for me, my family, and my community. while the idea is to have fun and celebrate, i think there's an awareness that we need to be vigilant as well. there's a lot of hate brewing right now, much of it fostered by the people who are supposed to be looking after our interests as citizens in this country - the people in power. politicians.
so, i'm curious. how does everyone else feel about what's going on with gay rights right now? with all the anti-trans and anti-gay rhetoric? is this going to be a year to party big? to stay at home and be safe? to stay vigilant and look out for others? or...
it's not a given, you know. gay rights, gay marriage. i am very aware that the supreme court could do what they did with abortion. simply decided that it's no longer a right. same with any and all protections when it comes to the LGBTQ+ community. Health care. job protection. rights of any kind, big or 'small'.
and if they do, what are you going to do about it? Anything? Or is it just a "gay issue". let them deal with it - none of my business. i think that, anyone in here who knows me, knows my answer already. i'm prepared to fight (in non-violent ways) if it comes to that. Hopefully, it doesn't, but to be blunt, things are a little scary right now. i mean, all it takes is one angry, anti-gay, nutcase with an AR-15 to open fire during the celebrations... and yes, there IS that kind of hate out there.
as always, please keep it semi-civil and semi-on topic. thanks.
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We are letting 30% of the population ruin the country for the rest of us. Unfortunately I don't know what can be done about it.
not much, really. not without political support, and the GOP seems dead set upon catering to that 30% of the people, leaving the other 70% out to dry.
Quote by Magical_felix
Yes, I did see that. I took a 6 and 9 year to that when it was in theaters and I don't even think they noticed honestly. There was zero reaction to it during the movie and never mentioned after. Kids just don't care.
while adults go ballistic. we live in a country where you can hang out as a school bus stop with an AR-15 but you can't show g-rated movies to kids if there's gay characters in them which is, apparently, more dangersous then getting pumped full of bullets.
Quote by Magical_felix
Everyday Patriots are arrested for this... I guess if you're gay or socialist scum, they just let you get away with it.
yeah, but at least he's not a drag queen - THOSE they go after. did you know there's a teacher in Florida under investigation for grooming right now? want to know why? She showed Disney's Strange Worlds to her class and OMG there's a gay character in it. no, seriously,
Quote by Ironic
The Hunter Biden laptop, and what some think is a coverup is another conspiracy.
Officials Who Cast Doubt on Hunter Biden Laptop Face Questions - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
some also think the earth is flat and the moon landing was faked.
Quote by Tantaleyes
So, if I'm reading your post correctly, if the Senate approves that bill, the one the House passed, and the President signed it, it'll raise the debt ceiling.
that's one of the things it will do, yes. the GOP has tacked on other clauses as well.
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What about the debt ceiling raise bill they passed back in April?
House votes to pass debt ceiling bill in win for McCarthy | CNN Politics
It authorizes an increase in the debt ceiling.
the current one is all that matters at present.
fyi, our Annie's got a comp story up - haven't got a chance to read more than a few paragraphs yet, but what i have read looks pretty freaking amazing. https://www.lushstories.com/stories/fantasy-sci-fi/never-mind-the-bollocks-whats-love-got-to-do-with-it
Quote by Chryses
You can also say you are the King of America. Saying so does not make it so.
Your post was again off-topic, and when you begin posting on-topic, I will respond to the substance of your posts.
On-topic in public, off-topic not in public threads, or not at all Buz,
knock it off, both of you.
Quote by Ironic
I did,
For Tantaletes, are you referring to the post where she quoted Dr. Stock? I haven't seen anything T's posted that could be confused with in the meantime they should just get over it and accept that they aren't subject to equal treatment or equal protection
Your first “quote” of AngelEthics' refers to a question. It isn't her opinion.
Your second "quote" of AngelEthics' is her interpretation of Dr. Stock's motivation.
So, nobody in this thread has posted a suggestion along the lines if, in the meantime they should just get over it and accept that they aren't subject to equal treatment or equal protection
quote from some guy named Ironic:
And maybe some day in the future, that'll be the way it plays out. That's someday in the future. The effort to suppress the discussion (that may lead to a change in our predefinitions) is happening now.
Just because somebody thinks transwomen are women doesn't mean they are women.
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And maybe some day in the future, that'll be the way it plays out. That's someday in the future. The effort to suppress the discussion (that may lead to a change in our predefinitions) is happening now.
Just because somebody thinks transwomen are women doesn't mean they are women.
It's a bad idea to try to suppress discussing or debating an idea, even if, at first, you don't agree with it.
fyi - homosexuality remains illegal in an estimated 70 countries, and is punishable by death in 11.
Quote by Ironic
Your sex, my sex, and everybody's sex doesn't depend on engaging in some form of activity. I hope that clears things up for you.
When you say ""that", what argument are you talking about? I'm asking because I don't see how the sex of gays and lesbians would be off limits for debate.
sex is, by definition, an activity. Gender is not, but yeah, sex is. and let me get this clear, you're suggesting that there should be a debate on whether or not gays/lesbians can have sex? lol good luck with that.
Quote by Ironic
And maybe some day in the future, that'll be the way it plays out. That's someday in the future. The effort to suppress the discussion (that may lead to a change in our predefinitions) is happening now.
It's a bad idea to try to suppress discussing or debating an idea, even if, at first, you don't agree with it.
so, in the meantime they should just get over it and accept that they aren't subject to equal treatment or equal protection. i mean, are you, personally, ok with that? treating them like they are somehow lesser because they are trans? yes, the effort is happening now - both the effort to gain equality as well as take away rights. what should they/we if the anti-trans movement wins? reminds me of a time in our great nation when black people were legally considered 3/5s of a person, tbh.
It's a bad idea to try to suppress discussing or debating an idea, even if, at first, you don't agree with it
you might want to think that true - would have to say that's not true in all cases.
Quote by Ironic
Transwomen are not women is only a lie if transwomen is predefined as women.
For people who don’t think of transwomen as women but instead think of them as surgically altered homosexuals (gay or lesbian), the basic assumption is faulty.
Men are not women is not hate speech and isn’t a lie.
perhaps we, as a society/culture, need to change our predefinitions, then. as for your second statement, just because someone doesn't think of transwomen as women, doesn't mean they aren't. it's not the assumption that is faulty, it's their perception. and no, men are not women. That said, transwomen are not men.
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Yes. Sex is about reproduction. There's sexual and asexual reproduction. Humans reproduce sexually.
so... since i don't plan on reproducing, i shouldn't be having sex? serious question, btw. is that your stand on it?
Also, that seems to be the argument being thrown in the face of LGTBQ people.
