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What is the dividing line between literature (storytelling), erotica, and good old smut?

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I'm starting to write again. This is a good thing. As I do however, I am finding I have miniseries level storylines floating through my head.
As I am attempting to pen (or type in this day and age) one of the stories I am seeing that there are certain characteristics that make up good erotica.

So I am wondering what you other authors do to take a storyline and keep it interesting for a reader that comes online looking for erotica?

To me, good literature includes sexuality. An intense flash scene needs to be steamy and raunchy. How do you keep yourself in the middle ground and keep your readers entertained?

I suppose a good corollary question is whether you write for yourself or for your audience, but I'll leave that for another thread.
I'm fascinated by the people as much as the sex so that inevitably tends to move me to write more than just a sex scene. I actually find it hard to write "stroke stories" (stories that just one big sex scene for people to stroke off to) because I always want to know more about who the partners are and why they are doing what they are doing. Even in my shorter pieces, I tend to hint at backgrounds and motivations. In longer ones, I have fairly long non-sexual narrative passages filling some of the blanks about the characters. If anything, I tend too much to the story and not enough to the sex at times and have to remind myself that I'm writing for an erotic stories site.

And, yes, I'm writing largely based on what I like and desire and hoping it finds an audience (and with two stories over 30K views, the Famous Story level, I think I'm hitting the audience occasionally) more so that looking for an audience and writing what they want.
Oh, I have one longstanding story that predates my Lush days that started as a planned erotic story but is now going to be more of a straight romance because I found the sex just didn't fit. So sometimes, you just can't find the balance and need to go in another direction.
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And, yes, I'm writing largely based on what I like and desire and hoping it finds an audience (and with two stories over 30K views, the Famous Story level, I think I'm hitting the audience occasionally) more so that looking for an audience and writing what they want.


I too find I am drawn more to the sex when I have context about characters. In this day and age, there's no way to write a stroke story (in my opinion) that can compare to a quick video or image fap session.
Your statement reminds me of Jon Cusack, who said that he did his blockbuster movies so that he could get the funds he needed to do the projects he really enjoyed.
If you have a couple of 30K view stories then you've certainly figured out one way to attract a 'mainstream' viewing.

Appreciate your thoughts on this.
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If you have a couple of 30K view stories then you've certainly figured out one way to attract a 'mainstream' viewing.


And that way is to just write what turns me on and hope it turns others on.

I also sometimes throw stuff at the wall to see if it sticks, too. My first two comp entries (which didn't place but did get RRs) were like that. Not quite my usual but I had interesting ideas that I wanted to see if they would work.

https://www.lushstories.com/stories/flash-erotica/sweet-tasty-treats.aspx
https://www.lushstories.com/stories/quickie-sex/in-the-dark.aspx
I agree with Seeker4, as well. Stories that are one big sex scene with little to no context aren't really that interesting to me. On the other hand, starting a story with "It was the dawn of time," and then reading through pages of the history of evolution to get to the sex scene may not be very interesting either from an erotic point of view (unless you consider evolution one big orgy stretched out across the entire span of life on Earth, and the idea of microbes fucking is the sort of thing that turns you on). While there are many authors who could stand add some kind of prologue to a couple jumping each other, there are others who could stand to be leaner in their story-telling (I may be guilty of the latter).

Kurt Vonnegut recommended starting a story as close to the end as possible, but there's got to be some kind of hook, some intrigue or suspense or building up of tension that makes getting to the end worthwhile. When I'm not invested in the characters or their situation, the sex in itself, no matter how wild or well-described, isn't going to be erotic. When the author is more in love with showing off how much they know or how well they can write, instead of telling a good, well-paced story, I might not even make it to the sex scene. I think pacing is an art that gets better with experience (and feedback).

As for the original question, I think the only reason lines need to exist in writing is so that authors can kick dirt over them. The only line I worry about is writing I enjoy and writing that I don't.

Don't believe everything that you read.

For me there IS NO dividing line.

If I want to write literary erotica that crosses all sorts of boundaries, is a story and lyrically sound almost like a poem and a hot fucking turn on I shall do so on a whim.

In fact, I've done exactly that quite often.
Interesting...

Firstly, I believe that LITERATURE, STORYTELLING, EROTICA and GOOD OLD FASHIONED SMUT are all possible in the genre we write in, (there can be crossover...) but quite DIFFERENT disciplines. (I DON'T write Literature, but I do the other three!) I'm talking EXCLUSIVELY about PROSE writing.

Literature, I believe, has to involve an INTRINSIC BEAUTY in how the WORDS are crafted, chosen and delivered. More than a few do that here. I TRY to write prettily, CANNILY, adeptly, but that's not the same thing. (I don't write BEAUTIFULLY. I write WELL.)

I'm VERY DEFINITELY a storyteller.

In telling a STORY some elements are (for me) quite essential. I like characters. I like a definite plot. I like a resolution.

I BELIEVE in a difference between erotica and smut. Were I FORCED to define that difference, I'd suggest that EROTICA, (while it gets you off...) invites more consideration, more questions and leaves a RESONANCE in the mind of a reader. Smut (or Porn) not so much, though there's nothing wrong with that. To be clear, (if Venal!) some of my favourite stories here are PORN stories.

The concept of a 'Dividing Line' is I think a very interesting one. I don't think THE WRITER makes that call. The reader does. Indeed, EACH INDIVIDUAL reader does.

To explain, I'm going to cite THREE of my own stories in the genres of, (IN MY OPINION!!!) LITERATURE, EROTICA and PORN:

Porn: https://www.lushstories.com/stories/wife-lovers/meeting-michaels-wife.aspx

Erotica: https://www.lushstories.com/stories/reluctance/hotel-rendevouz-2.aspx

Literature: https://www.lushstories.com/stories/supernatural/twists-and-turns-among-the-wampyr.aspx

(That last one NOT REALLY literature but the closest I come!!!)

xx SF
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If I want to write literary erotica that crosses all sorts of boundaries, is a story and lyrically sound almost like a poem and a hot fucking turn on I shall do so on a whim.

In fact, I've done exactly that quite often.


I just read one of your stories and I would agree. Your blend is extremely well crafted.
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Interesting...

I'm VERY DEFINITELY a storyteller.

In telling a STORY some elements are (for me) quite essential. I like characters. I like a definite plot. I like a resolution.

I BELIEVE in a difference between erotica and smut. Were I FORCED to define that difference, I'd suggest that EROTICA, (while it gets you off...) invites more consideration, more questions and leaves a RESONANCE in the mind of a reader. Smut (or Porn) not so much, though there's nothing wrong with that. To be clear, (if Venal!) some of my favourite stories here are PORN stories.

The concept of a 'Dividing Line' is I think a very interesting one. I don't think THE WRITER makes that call. The reader does. Indeed, EACH INDIVIDUAL reader does.

xx SF


I like the distinction between storytelling and literature and I would agree.
The observation that each individual probably has their own line about erotica and porn also makes good sense.

I've put your three stories on queue. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
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I just read one of your stories and I would agree. Your blend is extremely well crafted.


Thank you smile

But not to say I don't read other people's stuff that might be seen as 'roughly written smut' - I do. I see it all as differences in writing style for the most part - and I love it all.

Literary Fiction explores human psychology and emotion in relatively commonplace situations - and there's really no reason why explicit sex can't pair neatly with it. And I love styles that flow, word wise. Words are often given social and emotional connotations. I like learning what these connotations are and plying to the ones that are all on the appealing side of things and avoiding ones that quirk a brow or put people off.

Perhaps the only limitation I've run into is when people want erotica to serve as a masturbatory aide - and while I write this often and love it quite a bit, some of my erotica just isn't that. Some of it is too emotional (in a harsh-sentiment sort of way) - though written with just as much detail and explicitness as all my erotica, sometimes the story content will plant it firmly with Literary Erotica (Soft, Sweet Clarice and Between Midnight and Noon are two examples of that).

Is it smut if it's not written this way all the time?

It's smut when I'm being a dirty girl with a trashy mouth and want the Nun to have her pupil recite Bible Verses while being punished ;)

For pure fun - people who read my smut often get an education at the same time. LOL - one of my most popular pieces is a grammar lesson on 'loose' VS 'lose' (with a lesson on 'towards' VS 'toward' thrown in for good, deepthroating measure.)
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Thank you smile

Perhaps the only limitation I've run into is when people want erotica to serve as a masturbatory aide - and while I write this often and love it quite a bit, some of my erotica just isn't that. Some of it is too emotional (in a harsh-sentiment sort of way) - though written with just as much detail and explicitness as all my erotica, sometimes the story content will plant it firmly with Literary Erotica (Soft, Sweet Clarice and Between Midnight and Noon are two examples of that).

For pure fun - people who read my smut often get an education at the same time. LOL - one of my most popular pieces is a grammar lesson on 'loose' VS 'lose' (with a lesson on 'towards' VS 'toward' thrown in for good, deepthroating measure.)


You are quite welcome :-)

So you just spoke to two related thought steams that motivated my question here.

The first was about what a reader's expectation is on an erotica site. Lets be honest. The majority of the readers do come here to jack off or as you said more clinically 'to serve as a masturbatory aide.' Given the nature of the work that I do, its impossible for me to do anything without considering the audience. I spend a lot of time helping big companies figure out their demographics and identifying behavior triggers.

The second was a frustration about not having my timing yet and being able to flow back and forth. You astutely answered the question I didn't ask. I am impressed.

I am a bigger fan of storytelling than literature. Perhaps its because of my fascination with subaltern voices. In many cases I read stories where the experiential knowledge in a story far outweighs its grammatical or literary worth.

The good news is that all of this is inspiring me to keep working on hitting my stride. At the end of the day, that's what its all about. I'm writing again, and its such a delight.