An article about Adam Schiff campaign spending millions of dollars to support a Trump backed racist.
They would rather give him an inroad than allow a progressive candidate a chance in the general election. Pretty disgusting stuff and a great example of why the Democrats can’t get progressive votes.
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If he does maybe the Democrats might consider a populous candidate instead of playing shitty games trying to hold the American people hostage.
An election against Trump is an election that the Democrats can only lose. And currently they are choosing to do so.
Frankly I’ll gladly take another 4 years of Trump if it teaches the Democrats to stop gatekeeping out progressivism. It didn’t work the first or second time though, and I really have no interest in supporting a party who would rather hand the country over to Trump than to give the people what they want.
And if extremist right wing candidates were a danger why do Democrat sponsored Super Pacs pump millions of dollars into supporting them in primary seasons? They are more interested in keeping Democracy hostage than working for the people.
Play stupid games, get stupid prizes.
Sorry, but this is quite stupid.
Going to stop gatekeeping progressiveness by electing the far right. Shit maybe even a supreme court justice or two might die if we are lucky. That will really advance progressiveness in the future. Maybe they can come up with something cool again like when they decided corporations are people. Then progressives will really be due for a major comeback haha
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This is a serious issue indeed. Say there's a 3rd-party candidate who's able to win the election. Chances are they will not get anything done, because both Democrats and Republicans will not be very eager to support them.
Besides, it may also prove difficult to find the right folks to form a cabinet, or whatever it's called in the US, when there's not a somewhat established platform to pick candidates from.
Here in the Netherlands we've seen many new parties in each general election this century. Some even became one of the bigger parties right away. In those cases this always causes many issues because they haven't been able to vet their candidates properly, and so there's always a lot of scandals with these new big parties.I think the US desperately needs more big parties. But for that to work in the long term, those parties would ideally be built bottom up, from local to state to national, instead of top down.
Btw, and it's not just the Electoral College that's fucked up about the US election system. The fact that the president, a single position with all the power that comes with it, is elected directly and in a single round, creates a strong incentive for strategic voting. A much better system is where there's (at least) a second round, unless one of the candidates gets an absolute majority of the votes in the first round, between the top 2 candidates from that first round. That way the incentive to vote strategically is gone, unless there's a chance one of the candidates might reach the absolute majority in the first round.
But for such a system to work as intended, you'll need more than two parties to begin with of course.
The US is a two party system. Both very similar unfortunately, but one of them tends to fuck us over more than the other. It sucks but that's just reality.
It's like sitting there thinking that the Netherlands will magically turn into a 2 party country... Rowan and Sprite are sitting there thinking that if they just throw away their vote the US will magically turn into a 3 party country... they think this while a man that wants to be a dictator is running.
It's ridiculous.
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Sorry, but this is quite stupid.
Going to stop gatekeeping progressiveness by electing the far right. Shit maybe even a supreme court justice or two might die if we are lucky. That will really advance progressiveness in the future. Maybe they can come up with something cool again like when they decided corporations are people. Then progressives will really be due for a major comeback haha
As you demonstrate, Democrats think my priorities are jokes. Fuck em’. Trump can have the country than.
Four more years of uncontested corporate politics is more dangerous to my children and my freedom than four more years of Trump.
If the Democrats were concerned with the far right than they need to stop giving them money, power, and weak electoral opposition.
Can’t shit all over yourself for four years and expect me to believe another 4 will be any better.
But keep up taunting progressives and their worries! You’re doing great work for Trump. Might as well work for his campaign.
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It's like sitting there thinking that the Netherlands will magically turn into a 2 party country... Rowan and Sprite are sitting there thinking that if they just throw away their vote the US will magically turn into a 3 party country... they think this while a man that wants to be a dictator is running.
It's ridiculous.
is it ridiculous as thinking if I eat enough shit the next plate will have pie?
No, it won’t be magical. It’s not a toggle switch. It will take years of effort to get there and it will never happen by accepting the status quo. I bought the rhetoric on W. Most important election of my lifetime they said. But than it’s been the same way every election cycle.
I’ll lose a battle to win a war. It’s better than just accepting the war is lost and never winning.
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is it ridiculous as thinking if I eat enough shit the next plate will have pie?
No, it won’t be magical. It’s not a toggle switch. It will take years of effort to get there and it will never happen by accepting the status quo. I bought the rhetoric on W. Most important election of my lifetime they said. But than it’s been the same way every election cycle.
I’ll lose a battle to win a war. It’s better than just accepting the war is lost and never winning.
Oh, only years? For how long have you been able to vote for a third party in the US? And when is the last time a party other than the republicans or democrats were in power? What were they like?
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Oh, only years? For how long have you been able to vote for a third party in the US? And when is the last time a party other than the republicans or democrats were in power? What were they like?
You’ve always been able to vote for a third party. Oh rubber duckling, do you not know how elections work?
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You’ve always been able to vote for a third party. Oh rubber duckling, do you not know how elections work?
Oh… so I guess we can give it a few more centuries to work then.
I mean the republicans were kinda like a 3rd party. They’re in their dictator era right now.. but maybe, magically, if you toss your vote away in a couple centuries we’ll be progressive.
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Oh… so I guess we can give it a few more centuries to work then.
I mean the republicans were kinda like a 3rd party. They’re in their dictator era right now.. but maybe, magically, if you toss your vote away in a couple centuries we’ll be progressive.
I won’t have to wait that long. This shit show is on a knifes edge already. Democrats have been fanning the same fire as the Republicans for too long.
Change is coming, and the Democrats will play the same games and ride the same stupid games right till the place is burning.
It’s about to get really ugly. I don’t think I’ll hate to worry about the two party system for all that long.
Third parties don’t have to win, or become major parties, to do the very important job of forcing the major parties to be a little more responsive to voters, and a little less responsive to the oligarchs whose donations actively control both parties. Voting for an alternative holds their feet to the fire for the blatant rigging of the primaries that both parties keep doing.
Biden’s boosters seem awfully confident that Trump couldn’t possibly win again. That sounds like 2016-era hubris to be, but if that’s really true, then stop getting so worked up about my vote. Maybe spend more energy making the Democratic ticket appealing and rallying the vote (pro tip: the key to winning elections isn't swing voters, it's turnout!), and less energy attacking independent thinkers like me, and maybe then you could win. Al Gore should have won by 20 points. So should Hillary. They both lost because they ran weak campaigns and pulled punches in the debates. Even their baldfaced bullying of everyone who disagreed with the choice of nominee didn't get them a win.
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The US is a two party system. Both very similar unfortunately, but one of them tends to fuck us over more than the other. It sucks but that's just reality.
It's like sitting there thinking that the Netherlands will magically turn into a 2 party country... Rowan and Sprite are sitting there thinking that if they just throw away their vote the US will magically turn into a 3 party country... they think this while a man that wants to be a dictator is running.
It's ridiculous.
I'd say Trump should be stopped from becoming POTUS again, at all costs. But at the same time, I don't see it get any better either. The system seems too fucked up and polarized to repair itself. It should have been fixed a long time ago. But instead America was (and often still is) pounding its chest for being the greatest democracy in the history of our planet, while waiving any criticism and failing miserably.
So, in that sense (it not getting any better) I get that people want to break from the current pattern, and the only option they feel they have is to vote for a 3rd party. It's a really big gamble, given that fascist dictatorship is luring around the corner, but if it seems the only chance for change, then some will surely take it.
The promise of the 2nd amendment was always to fight off a tyrannical government. It's funny, in a cynical 'from the outside' manner, that the country with such amendment/promise, is the one heading in the direction of precisely such government. Too bad most of the gun lovers are the ones pushing for it.
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Third parties don’t have to win, or become major parties, to do the very important job of forcing the major parties to be a little more responsive to voters, and a little less responsive to the oligarchs whose donations actively control both parties.
True, for the House of Representatives. But there's only one POTUS at any time they tend to belong to one party only.
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An article about Adam Schiff campaign spending millions of dollars to support a Trump backed racist.
They would rather give him an inroad than allow a progressive candidate a chance in the general election. Pretty disgusting stuff and a great example of why the Democrats can’t get progressive votes.
This is truly disgusting indeed. It shows that to them it's not about the voter, but all about their own win. So much even, that they're willing to make it an all or nothing bet.
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I'd say Trump should be stopped from becoming POTUS again, at all costs. But at the same time, I don't see it get any better either. The system seems too fucked up and polarized to repair itself. It should have been fixed a long time ago. But instead America was (and often still is) pounding its chest for being the greatest democracy in the history of our planet, while waiving any criticism and failing miserably.
So, in that sense (it not getting any better) I get that people want to break from the current pattern, and the only option they feel they have is to vote for a 3rd party. It's a really big gamble, given that fascist dictatorship is luring around the corner, but if it seems the only chance for change, then some will surely take it.
The promise of the 2nd amendment was always to fight off a tyrannical government. It's funny, in a cynical 'from the outside' manner, that the country with such amendment/promise, is the one heading in the direction of precisely such government. Too bad most of the gun lovers are the ones pushing for it.
That’s why it’s so stupid. If a normal Republican was running then yeah okay go for it.. but they are talking about this third party nonsense while a dictator wannabe is running. He’s the main reason WHY it’s become so polarized. He’s WHY the Supreme Court is taking away rights. It’s just beyond stupid.
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That’s why it’s so stupid. If a normal Republican was running then yeah okay go for it.. but they are talking about this third party nonsense while a dictator wannabe is running. He’s the main reason WHY it’s become so polarized. He’s WHY the Supreme Court is taking away rights. It’s just beyond stupid.
“Please only protest when it’s not convenient to me. It makes it easier to ignore.”
Back to the whole conversation of where 3rd parties are in non presidential elections… the same place the are during the presidential elections. They are just easier for you to ignore which you do.
This is exactly the time to protest and let the democrats lose. Weather the storm for 4 years and challenge the Democrats to give me a reason to vote for them. Maybe they will change, because if I only vote third party when it’s easy to ignore than it’s useless.
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“Please only protest when it’s not convenient to me. It makes it easier to ignore.”
Back to the whole conversation of where 3rd parties are in non presidential elections… the same place the are during the presidential elections. They are just easier for you to ignore which you do.
This is exactly the time to protest and let the democrats lose. Weather the storm for 4 years and challenge the Democrats to give me a reason to vote for them. Maybe they will change, because if I only vote third party when it’s easy to ignore than it’s useless.
Yes you're right, Trump becoming president again will be a major win for progressives. So selfish of me to say it is the completely wrong time to protest vote. Godspeed.
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Yes you're right, Trump becoming president again will be a major win for progressives. So selfish of me to say it is the completely wrong time to protest vote. Godspeed.
It’s less dangerous than compliance with the Democrats. If the Democrats refuse to bend to populous demands to win an election when they are facing a would-be dictator than they are dictators themselves. There are no good masters and I refuse to bend to yours.
And yes, the Trump presidency was very productive for progressives. Our movement gained massive popularity and the Democrats rallied around it, only to snuff it out. Here’s looking forward to four years of social unheaval.
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It’s less dangerous than compliance with the Democrats. If the Democrats refuse to bend to populous demands to win an election when they are facing a would-be dictator than they are dictators themselves. There are no good masters and I refuse to bend to yours.
And yes, the Trump presidency was very productive for progressives. Our movement gained massive popularity and the Democrats rallied around it, only to snuff it out. Here’s looking forward to four years of social unheaval.
Aren’t you they guy that blocked me because you said you got hit in the head with a lawn dart and I dared to laugh at that admission?
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Aren’t you they guy that blocked me because you said you got hit in the head with a lawn dart and I dared to laugh at that admission?
No, that wasn’t me.
Great deflection to the discussion though.
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No, that wasn’t me.
Great deflection to the discussion though.
Are you sure?
What did I laugh at that caused you to block me then? It was something similar.
And this “discussion” is over, sorry, your argument is too silly.
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Are you sure?
What did I laugh at that caused you to block me then? It was something similar
No, you are not blocked. I’ve never played lawn darts in my life.
But to reiterate the Democrats current statement of being owed my vote is more damaging to Democracy than Trump. Stay on subject or drop it if your arguments are so weak. Or change your mind. That could be cool too.
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No, you are not blocked. I’ve never played lawn darts in my life.
But to reiterate the Democrats current statement of being owed my vote is more damaging to Democracy than Trump. Stay on subject or drop it if your arguments are so weak. Or change your mind. That could be cool too.
You’re not going to turn me MAGA… but like I said, Godspeed with your progressive crusade or whatever.
You are far closer to MAGA politically than I am, sir. I do not wish your quest to brainwash the nation into compliance any luck. It’s a bad world view.
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You are far closer to MAGA politically than I am, sir. I do not wish your quest to brainwash the nation into compliance any luck. It’s a bad world view.
Rowan: I want trump to win
Me: no trump winning is bad.
Rowan: you’re more MAGA than me
😵💫
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Rowan: I want trump to win
Me: no trump winning is bad.
Rowan: you’re more MAGA than me
😵💫
Not what I said. That’s a deflective straw man argument, common among people who have no actual credible points.
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Not what I said. That’s a deflective straw man argument, common among people who have no actual credible points.
I already said you won several posts ago...
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He's my candidate right now. I'll hold off on final choice till closer to the election but he's my current top candidate.
same here
You can’t truly call yourself peaceful unless you are capable of violence. If you’re not capable of violence, you’re not peaceful. You’re harmless.
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That’s why it’s so stupid. If a normal Republican was running then yeah okay go for it.. but they are talking about this third party nonsense while a dictator wannabe is running. He’s the main reason WHY it’s become so polarized. He’s WHY the Supreme Court is taking away rights. It’s just beyond stupid.
But what's a normal Republican? Every presidential election, since at least the start of this century, seemed as if 'this time' it's really necessary to keep the Republican candidate from winning.
Before MAGA there was The Tea Party. And before Trump there was Dubya, who seems favorable now in comparison, but under whose watch a war was started on false grounds, people were tortured, and Americans, as well as citizens and politicians of allied nations, were being spied on by the NSA. Was he a normal Republican?
Right now one of the most reasonable Republicans that comes to mind, to me as a foreigner, is Liz Cheney. But I doubt her ideas are all that different from her dad's (correct me if I'm wrong!), who was the epitome of evil less than two decades ago. Not buying into MAGA is a low bar for seeming reasonable. So, what's a normal Republican?
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But what's a normal Republican? Every presidential election, since at least the start of this century, seemed as if 'this time' it's really necessary to keep the Republican candidate from winning.
Before MAGA there was The Tea Party. And before Trump there was Dubya, who seems favorable now in comparison, but under whose watch a war was started on false grounds, people were tortured, and Americans, as well as citizens and politicians of allied nations, were being spied on by the NSA. Was he a normal Republican?
Right now one of the most reasonable Republicans that comes to mind, to me as a foreigner, is Liz Cheney. But I doubt her ideas are all that different from her dad's (correct me if I'm wrong!), who was the epitome of evil less than two decades ago. Not buying into MAGA is a low bar for seeming reasonable. So, what's a normal Republican?
Normal is the wrong word. I meant “less dangerous”. Jeb Bush would have been a less dangerous Republican than Trump was, for example.
