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Mannish_Capricorn
Over 90 days ago
Bi-curious Male, 33
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Most ideas come from the top of my head,or I get inspired from a show,reading a story,real life,or even playing a game.I just switch things up in my story so it does not sound like i'm copying.


`It's Fun to Dream~ ^_^
Okay guys and girls i'm back asking something new again.Okay I just wanna know how this would be done in writing I know it's possible in writing but what would it look like?I plan to write some stories where I want to be able to transition to another scene.

So please show example's of how you would form it in your stories,and if you have already done that in some stories please share some advice or tips you may have.Thank you.^_^
I just wanna see what do you guys/girls do if you already have created more then one character for a story,then move one to a completely different story do you use the same characters in that story too sometimes?

Do you like putting yourself in your stories?Either if it's a real life experience,or fiction.

I love putting myself in my stories,but i also know that the reader might not always like reading a story with the character in it,unless you add another character personality in the mix.

With me is kinda,can be hard to think of a totally new character personality.I know some people they use personality's that there friends,and family may have and use that to make a character,maybe mix it up a little too.

When I think about it,I guess it can be like if your watching a show and characters from the past sessions make a return to the show.

So I wanna know what do you guys/girls do when it comes to this?
I found out it does,I recently started Role playing again,after some years.I used to do it a lot when i was younger,I would Role Play in chat message,then when we are done I would go and look at the chat messages and pick some that I though where good and try to form them in my Stories.


Have you tired it,and if so does it work for you too?

And i'm also looking for people to role play with mainly women,I plan to make future stories from different points of views.
And also writing partners if anyone is interested.You know like someone that I can go to that can give me some good ideas and that I can share my story ideas with,and can give me some feed back on what they think and what they would change if it where there story,or if they where in that situation.

If we are not friends and if interested for any of the things I ask for above,feel free to request me.Any and all are welcome. ^_^

Role Playing Partners are wanted!!!! ^_^
I will give it a try,I see when i'm hory I start to imagine good ideas in my head.Just resit the need to masturbate and write,sounds easier said then done but I will give it a try.
I'm dealing with the something,but sadly I don't have an answer for you,guess where in the same boat.
Yes! Lol,the ultimate stress reviler,just wack one off,and it's a relaxing sleep the whole night. javascript:insertsmiley('%20','/forum/images/emoticons/sleepy2.gif')
Step 1 - Friendship -You know when you first meet a person you like,it starts off as a friend.That's basic.

Step 2 - Friends with benefits -You know when you have a good friendship and you wanna do more with that person,meaning having sex but still being friends. Think you should go to being friends with benefits,as the second step.

Step 3 - Boyfriend&Girlfriend - I think being bf and gf is like someone you wanna share and be personal with who you want to let come in your door,called your life.lol ^_^

Step 4 - Engaged - Being engaged to someone you are about to send your life with,you know hopefully if not interferes.

And finally the last step!!

Step 5 - Married - Being married, Lol i would know what that feels like cause i'm not married,but a person who your spending your life with.

ok guys tell me what you think of these steps,and how would the meaning of each one be in your own way. ^_^
Quote by MorganHawke
An Opening HOOK?

-----Original Message-----
"We constantly hear people talk about a hook. I was just wondering, how important is an opening hook? How close to the opening does it have to be? Seriously, how many people pick up a book or story and put it back down after the first sentence or paragraph? Do we have some forgiveness here? I would think that a published, well known author might not need one."
-- Writer in Waiting

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Let’s break this down and tackle each, one at a time.

"I was just wondering, how Important is an Opening Hook?”

How important? Vitally important.
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"57% of new books are not read to completion. Most readers do not get past page 18 in a book they have purchased."
--Jerrold Jenkins

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This means you have 4500 words to catch your reader's interest in your story. If you can't grab your reader the moment they open to the first page, your chances of them walking that book to the counter and buying it DROP astronomically.

On a story post site, you have ONE PARAGRAPH to grab your reader's interest enough to read more. If you don't catch them IMMEDIATELY, it's all too easy to click on another title to see if that's more interesting.

Just so you know, most potential readers decide what books they’ll purchase by:

-- Cover Art*
-- Back Cover Blurb
-- Inside Excerpt
-- First Page (first 150 words)
-- Last page (A LOT of buyers will not buy a book with an Unhappy Ending no matter how good the meat of the story is -- especially if that book is marketed as a Romance or EROTICA.)

-- In that order.

If your first page is dull and boring, you’re more or less screwed.

When it comes to story post sites, you don't even have that much. You have your opening paragraph -- that's it. (Which is why author notes at the beginning of a story are a BAD IDEA. Put them at the End.)

*Note on Cover Art: Although it is the first thing assessed by a potential buyer, Cover Art actually carries far less weight in the final purchasing decision than any of the others. Cover Art is merely a tool to catch the eye and make the buyer pick up the book for consideration. Most readers have learned that few covers actually have anything to do with what the book is about, so if the cover art stinks, but the rest is interesting, they’ll buy it.

“How close to the opening does it have to be?”

To GET them reading, your hook should be on the first line of the first page. To KEEP them reading, you should have a hook at the end of every single chapter.

Examples from my books:
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Kiss of the Wolf

It was so cold…

Her breath steamed from her lips. Naked and shivering, she rose from her crouch. Her long pale brown hair falling over her bare shoulders, and the tall white dog pressed against her side, were her only sources of warmth.

The windowless basement of the abandoned textile factory was thick with shadows. She couldn’t see the walls or ceiling at all. The only light came from the circular design inscribed on the worn plank floor blazing an eerie blue, all the way around them.

She needed to get out of there.
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Insatiable

"Might I have your company for the night?"

"Huh?" Elaine glanced up from her belly-down sprawl across the private compartment’s plush banquette sofa. The art deco lamp directly over her was on, but the polished cherry wood walls made the rest of the antique Pullman car very dark. She blinked. Where did he come from?

A tall man in a nearly floor-length black leather coat, stood just inside the deep shadow of her compartment’s door. His hands hung loose at his sides. "Pardon the intrusion." His voice was soft, low, and velvety with a touch of exotic eastern European lilt. He tilted his head toward the closed door. "I did knock, and your door was unlocked."
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Hungry Spirits

"This historical mansion is supposed to be haunted. Isn't that cool?"

"What?" The rubber soles of Keiko's pink house slippers caught on the antique, red and gold carpet, making her trip. She barely stopped from pitching into the student directly in front of her. With the entire class crammed in the narrow hallway, there was barely enough walking room, never mind room to fall. She turned to her left, and frowned at her classmate. "Tika, did you say, haunted?"

"Yep." Tika smiled, showing the boy-grabbing dimple in the heart of her cheek. The light shining through the warm cream of the rice paper wall, they were walking alongside, gave her oval face a warm glow. "The ghost of an old samurai is supposed to be watching over the family."

Thunder boomed, rattling the rattan frames of the long, rice paper sliding walls on the left.
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“Seriously, how many people pick up a book or story and put it back down after the first sentence or paragraph? Do we have some forgiveness here?”

Survey says…!

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“As a reader I generally give a new book (before I've bought it) the first paragraph to get my interest, sometimes less. I'll almost always put down a book that starts with a description of landscape, as lots of fantasy seem to.”
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“As a reader, I always open the book to the first page and start reading (in a book shop before I buy the book). If the writing style is awkward or the wording is boring I'll put the book down and keep looking.”
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“Weather report beginnings are a turn off for me. But something subtle, interesting, or thought provoking, in the first paragraph is enough to keep me reading, for a while.”
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“I'll only grant ‘forgiveness’ to an author who has entertained me in the past, and even then I'm not all that lenient.”
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Most if not ALL potential buyers have only one interest when buying a book to read: PERSONAL ENTERTAINMENT. If the reader is not grabbed on the first page, your book goes back on the shelf in favor of one that DOES grab them.

The only books allowed to be dull and boring on the first page, are text books designed strictly for education. (They’re expected to be dull and boring.)

“…I would think that a published well known author might not need [a hook]."

Being published and well known does NOT mean that a reader won't put a book down that doesn't interest them, and there are ALWAYS people that have never heard of you.

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“If a book is going nowhere after initially getting my interest, I'll stop reading, and never pick up another book by that author again.”
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“If I'm not ‘into’ it after 15 pages I usually give up.”
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“It's the author's job to keep me interested from the very first line to the very last, because if they can't, there are plenty that can and I'd rather be reading their books.”
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Never forget! Your book is in direct competition with every other book in that store, therefore you should avail yourself of every trick you can think of to Get that Reader – and then Keep that Reader.

“What is a HOOK anyway?”

Very simply, it’s what makes the reader turn the page. It’s the Mysterious Circumstance, the Precarious Situation, the Horrible Turn of Events, etc. that drives the Reader to Keep Reading to discover: “What will happen NEXT?” More commonly known as: SUSPENSE.

There is a Reason why MYSTERIES are a top selling genre – they keep the reader guessing right up to the last page.

“But I’m not writing a Mystery!”
So what? I don’t write mysteries either, but I do have a Mysterious Circumstance, a Precarious Situation, a Horrible Turn of Events -- a hook -- at the end of every chapter. And I never give anything away until the last possible second.

“But what if I'm writing Literature? They rarely (if ever) have hooks.”
Once upon a time they didn't, (like 10 years or more ago.) They DO NOW or they don't get past the publication editor. A book without an opening hook certainly won't make it past an agent.

These days agents and editors ask for Partial manuscripts, that's 60 pages - 4 chapters - not whole manuscripts. Not a whole lot of room to impress someone. What they DON'T tell you, is if you don't hook them on the First Page, they won't even bother reading the REST of the partial.

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Publishers toss Booker winners into the reject pile.
They can’t judge a book without its cover.

Jonathan Calvert and Will Iredale

The Sunday Times, London UK, January 01, 2006
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Publishers and agents have rejected two Booker prize-winning novels submitted as works by aspiring authors. One of the books considered unworthy by the publishing industry was by VS Naipaul, one of Britain’s greatest living writers, who won the Nobel Prize for literature.

The exercise by The Sunday Times draws attention to concerns that the industry has become incapable of spotting genuine literary talent.

Typed manuscripts of the opening chapters of Naipaul’s “In a Free State” and a second novel, “Holiday,” by Stanley Middleton, were sent to 20 publishers and agents. None appears to have recognized them as Booker prizewinners from the 1970s that were lauded as British novel writing at its best. Of the 21 replies, all but one were rejections.
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Read the Entire Article: [url=][/url]

In Conclusion:
If you expect your manuscript to get past an agent, or a publishing editor, you need to make your story engaging, and compelling to read right from the Opening Line.

If you want to make your READERS ask for More, you you need to make your story engaging, and compelling to read, from Opening Line to the Closing Chapter.

DISCLAIMER: As with all advice, take what you can use and throw out the rest. As a multi-published author, I have been taught some fairly rigid rules on what is publishable and what is not. If my rather straight-laced (and occasionally snotty,) advice does not suit your creative style, by all means, IGNORE IT.


I believe i will learn so much from this.
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btw, a hint for writers out there. everyone writes at different speeds, but something to think about. i am in contact with a lot of writers here. the ones you see getting RRs and EPs, the ones whom are names here, like Dancing Doll, Lisa, Jaymal, etc, don't just push stories out. they are painstakingly crafted and take weeks, sometimes months from conception to publishing. this is why they are as good as they are. like anything else, the more effort you put into it, the better it will be - also, these are people who have been doing this for a long time - they learn, they listen, they improve. like any other creative skill, the more you do it, the more your practice, the better you will get - don't be discouraged if the first story you write isn't brilliant - consider writing like playing music - no matter how many guitar solos you've listened to, no matter that you can hear the one you want to play in your head, the first time you pick up a guitar, you are probably not going to sound like Jimi Hendrix. just keep at it until you do.

sorry if i got off the subject a bit, but it reminded me of an incident from a few years back where someone asked me to fix a story for them - apparently they'd spent a whole hour on it and didn't have the time to fix it themselves...

back on the subject, taking it a little more seriously then my once upon a time line...

for me, the stories i write here,i start with a character. before i even begin to write, i find their voice, define their personality, who they are, sort of spend some time getting inside their head - it's a little like roleplay, i guess - then i set them in a scene and write - by then, i know them intimately enough to know how they would react, how they talk, what they would do in the scene i place them in so that the writing part is fairly smooth - what does take time is that i like to play with styles, with different ways of describing sex scenes (let's face it, at it's core, sex if fairly basic - penis/tongue inserted into vagina/ass/mouth, in out in out until climax, followed by cigerette or cuddling). btw, i usually write the story leaving out the actual sex scene with notations such as : blow job here. rim job here. intercourse here. it's like writers foreplay, setting the scene, the build up, really gets me in the mood to write what is, hopefully, steamy sex. it's a little like edging. ;)h


Thank you,wow i wanna become one of the good writers on Lush now.lol But thanks.
Quote by Buz
I don't have a formula. It depends upon which scene setting you think best suits the story. Feel where you want your story to begin and create from there.

It usually takes me a few days to write a story. I rarely have several uninterrupted hours available to do story in one setting. Often when I come back to the story I feel I need to change something and rewrite. Once I have completed it and proofed thoroughly myself, I send it to someone else to proof again. They always find something I missed. Once I have taken care of that its ready to be submitted.


Right,thx basically I just need to take my time,and i like my stories to be very detailed.
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the shortest story i have ever written for this site, timewise, took two days of pretty much uninterrupted writing. that's fast. 2 weeks is usually the norm. btw, when i put those times out, that's my rough draft. after that, i spend as much time proof reading, editing, revising, and re-crafting. i won't put something up until i am sure it is as good as it can be. we're talking stories that are 5-10k words, btw - those broken into two parts, like some of the Mrs V stories take double that, obviously.

as far as research, not often - most of the subjects i write about i have intimate knowledge of the subject, locale, etc. sometimes i'll do a little research on fashions (i picked Dancing Doll's brain about high end clothing - Bikinis and sunglasses, etc) on Paris in Flames, but usually, it's all stuff that already resides within my brain.


Yeah I see what your talking about,I was thinking of having a book that i keep for rough drafts,and just writing a scene on a few pages but each on being different,you know like maybe a different writing style or a way i may form it.Then I will go back after i got every different scene for a story and pick the ones I like the most,and put it together like that.Yeah i'm going to do that thx you made me think of that idea,you have my respect.
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How long does it take you to write and do you ever research?


Yeah I do I just want to make sure its a good idea.Sometimes I act out multiple scenes act them out by myself,and i think about which would be the best one sometimes write them down. You know rough drafts.Then pick the best one that out of my choices of different scenes.
Quote by forbidden_flirt
I didn't wait.. when I met the man who would become my husband, he was a virgin... he wasn't on our wedding night. If I had to do everything over again, I'd say I'd rather not have married someone who was a virgin before I married him. He gave his virginity to me - and don't get me wrong... I'm flattered. But really, our sex life has suffered because I don't know how to teach him, and he isn't open to learning new things. Not open to experiences as I am. So I'd go with, wouldn't be a virgin when I got married... and wouldn't marry someone who's "essentially" a virgin.


It was because he was not experienced,maybe that would explain why he is not up to try new things.He hasn't had enough time to learn.
Quote by Alex7
If god wanted us to wait to have sex until we are married, then I am surely burning in hell when I am done. It's something that happens as and when the time is right.


LMAO!!!
Me it depends on the scene I picture in my head.Sometimes it's kinda difficult for me I to think of how i'm going to start my story because for some reason that's the hardest part for me.^_^ I like to get it out of the way no matter how long it takes.
Yeah,when i was younger always tried to do that.lol like when i was on the school bus,lol i would always try to slide my hand under the girls butt my sitting next to.lol