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MonsoonMicky
Over 90 days ago
Straight Male, 50
United Kingdom

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I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with the voting system. The voting feature on this site is pretty standard, it SHOULD work well and there is nothing wrong with it. I can assure you of that. It's the fact that certain people are misusing it and it's caught on, became etiquette to vote 5 and anything less is an insult.

A small minority of people misuses the voting system and thinks everybody should be giving perfect scores. Those people get offended by a 4 vote and retaliate with tit-for-tat and a few hostile messages, then that sets the tone for the entire site, and before you know it, people are scoring 5s 95% of the time.

That's all there is to it at the end of the day.
Quote by overmykneenow


How about just giving a percentage score?

How many stories would get 100%?


At least 95% of them would get a 100% score if my calculations are correct.
Quote by oceanrunner1974
I'm newish to the forums and I wonder if this has been debated before.

I think a 5 pt rating scale is too imprecise, and I think that going to a 10pt scale of some kind (or allowing for 4.5, 3.5 etc., which is the same thing), would allow for perhaps better voting and less "vote inflation."

Now for example, if you compare the votes to grades or percentages, a 5 is a 100% or an A+. A 4 is an 80% or a B-. that's a huge gap. I'd like to reserve my perfect scores for truly outstanding stories. But if I don't want to give a pretty good story a B-, I usually wind up giving it a 5. I think there is room for something in between a 4 and a 5, whether a 4.5 or a 9.

I think we'd see a lot more of *that* score and a lot fewer perfect ones.


The point is, people are not using the voting system for what it was intended for. And even if you changed the system, I bet anything you like that people would still vote top marks 95% of the time and still be hostile toward people who don't give them a perfect score.

It's people being petty and over-sensitive that's the problem, not the voting system.
Quote by a_chica


I have never sent such emails, in the contrary I thank them, and ask if they would mind telling me what I could do to improve, as I do want to improve in my writing....

I do not block any one for low scores either.

so please I ask you both to not put words into things I have said, with out really knowing what I do or don't. I have become friends that way with people. as they rather tell me via mail some of the things they think of my writing.


I never said you did. I don't know what you get up to on here, so I'm not going to speculate.

Felix make the point of saying that some people send scathing messages to those who vote their stories a 4. I might be wrong, but I don't think he mentioned you personally, and I certainly didn't.

I think it's wrong for people to be hostile towards those who vote stories 4. If you simply ask people for advice regarding improvement, then I don't see anything wrong with that.
Quote by Road_Runner


Thanks guy, but that isn't the story I'm rewriting. That one wholely new and original.

Tip is to find the right inspiration. Sandy is a real girl.tLAMpfC1g5PAiZHC

R_R


What? Sandy's a real girl? Bloody hell!

Then perhaps you could give me some tips on picking up Sandy. Have you got her number? Does she go for guys that fix cars?

I tinkered about with a car once. I got underneath it and undid the sump plug. I got a faceful of used engine oil. It was awful, but I wouldn't mind doing it again for Sandy.
Quote by kiera


I don't agree with you.

Chatty is bi but even so you don't have the right to cheat a person onto a situation that they would not normally do or sexually care for.


Well, you raise a good point there.

I can see where you're coming from, but you must realise that people are here for various different reasons. Some people are here for sexual gratification, and if two blokes are getting their kicks out of posing as lesbians and talking dirty to each other, what harm are they doing?

But I can see what you mean: if someone is incognito and posing as the opposite sex to dupe people into doing things they wouldn't normally do, sexual or otherwise, then a moral boundary has been crossed in my opinion.

I've been duped many times online and, as a result, I'm extremely cautious now. I make acquaintances now rather than friends because I don't trust anybody. The key is to stay vigilant and assume everyone is lying about their identity until you find proof that suggests otherwise. We all have an obligation to ourselves to protect our best interests.
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Like John smith mentioned and chica admitted to... Authors on lush are sending voters who give them a 4 scathing emails. That's so ridiculous. And people wonder why readers are shy to vote.


That's ludicrous. Those who send scathing messages to members for scoring stories a 4 should be ashamed of themselves and realise that this is an amateur writing site, not a popularity contest.

The voting aspect is a great feature of this site and people are ruining it with pettiness. And it's probably turning people away from the site as well. I was terrified when I first joined Lush, and it would have scared me off had someone had a go at me for scoring a story 4.

Some people just don't think about the consequences of their actions. Thoughtlessness -- that's what it is.
Quote by MonsoonMicky
Of the 30 stories on my homepage there is a combined total of 282 story votes. Those votes are as follows:

Votes of 1 -- 0

Votes of 2 -- 0

Votes of 3 -- 1

Votes of 4 -- 11

Votes of 5 -- 270


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll show my working out and how I calculated the percentage from the figures above.

12/282 = 0.04255310

0.04255310 x 100 = 4.25

By my calculations, a mere 4.25% of the 282 votes on the homepage last night were scores less than 5.
Quote by overmykneenow
OK this is how it works for 95%+ of all votes cast on stories here:

1) The message voters are intending to convey -
5 = I liked your story or you, maybe both
Anything else = I dislike you personally

2) How that message is understood by the author -
5 = You're an amazing author/poet
Anything else = watch your back, you have an enemy hell bent on maliciously destroying your writing career


Yes, at last, someone who can see it for what it is. The scoring is superficial. People are not using the voting system for what it's intended for.

I'll do a little more research, but as far as I tell, at least 95% of votes on all stories are a 5. Why is that?

And I can't believe that people are debating whether or not non-writers give lower scores. How can people debate such a thing when only a mere 5% of scores given are less than 5. I'm confused; I don't understand what's going on here.
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A "what % of" people here are really ______ is, in my humble non-judgmental opinion, a bit pointless under most circumstances. Exception would be if misleading someone caused harm - beyond that it's online-person beware there are folks who for whatever reason portray fictional attributes - be it gender, age, looks, etc... If the person you are interacting with is providing you with something enjoyable (laughter, fantasy, escape, opinions, chit-chat, etc.) not sure it really matters. If it does matter, then move on.


This has given the whole debate a completely different perspective. It's good input. Well done.

This site is a form of entertainment and should be treated as such. Even if the person you're chatting with is a guy posing as a woman, as long as you're having fun and achieving what you desire, who gives a fuck.

This site is also a great source of information. If we listen to the opinions and advice given out by certain people we might all learn something at the end of the day.

So if we all lie back, chill out, have a laugh and enjoy the ride, I'm sure we can all find some form of gratification in one way or another.
I don't think it's a case of readers giving lower votes. After doing a quick count up, I've come to the conclusion that votes lower than 5 are extremely few and far between as a whole on the site.

Of the 30 stories on my homepage there is a combined total of 282 story votes. Those votes are as follows:

Votes of 1 -- 0

Votes of 2 -- 0

Votes of 3 -- 1

Votes of 4 -- 11

Votes of 5 -- 270

It's not a matter of readers voting lower, but more a case of very few people voting lower than a 5.
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Yeah Buz, it would replace the two previous stories with a longer better written combined story. The two original stories never got much interest anyhow. My descriptive skills have improved ten fold and a more recognized writer suggested combining and reposting the stories as one.

R_R


Bloody hell! I've just seen your new story on the homepage. It was only published yesterday and it's already had nearly 10,000 views. That's really impressive; well done, mate.

You must have made some real improvements on that. You'll have to give me some writing tips someday.
In my experience, a great way to pick out errors in your writing is to upload it to a Kindle and read it on that. It really works for me. I pick up nearly every error when reading my stories on my Kindle.

Bear in mind that most Kindles will only accept mobi files, so if you're writing on a .doc file, you'll have to convert with an online .doc to mobi file converter beforehand.
If it were me, I would have improved the story content and edited it in the first place.

No, I'm only joking. I'm okay at writing, it's my story content that's shit. I cannot write erotica for the life of me.

I'm writing a story at the moment, and it's 5000 words long and all character development and plot so far. I just can't crack on with a sex scene. I've given up now anyway.
Quote by Buz


That explains my bad luck in chat. I would log in to chat every third day and all I got was pet chimpanzees. I have learned they love bananas and Planet of the Apes movies.


Yeah, exactly. I have conversed with certain people on other social sites and, I can assure you, if they're not chimpanzees, they're not far off it.
I'm a self-proclaimed T and T man.

'T and T' stands for tits and toes. I'm all about the tits and toes.

For me, sexy is a well pedicured set of piggies that descend in size from the big toe all the way down to the little pinky.

The breasts? Well, I prefer large breasts with big brown teats with a prominent, turgid nipple-head, the sort you can hang your coat on.

It doesn't get any sexier than that for me.
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I took two of my stories and combined them into one longer story. What should I do with the existing stories on my profile page? Should I hide them, delete them, or just leave them, this course of action doesn't seem like the best. A little help on this would by great.

Thanks in advance for advice,
R_R


Do you mean you're uploading a previously published story again, but in 1 part rather than 2?
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Saw a story on MSNBC a few months ago. It claimed that approx. 60% of chat room visitors were representing themselves as the opposite sex.


That's just a random number plucked out of thin air; it means nothing.

I can do it myself. I'll show you:

"Approximately 85% of female accounts on Lush are men posing as women". See, we can all make a claim that has no credibility.

My point is, it's impossible for anyone to determine how many people are representing themselves as the opposite sex on this website or any social media site. The only way to get an accurate figure is to make every person posing as the opposite sex to confess and admit they're lying. As far as I know that's never happened -- ever. And it's never likely to happen.

Furthermore, each profile could have multiple users. It could be a man logged in one day, a woman the next, then their pet chimpanzee the following day.
Quote by Simmerdownchick
that means a sexy avatar that's not "genuine", so be it. I personally use avatars that represent who I really am, not necessarily how I really look. I do say so in my profile. I don't think it's fair to say that straight women using alternate avatars are "butt ugly"...
Felix, are you really a cartoon cat? Come on now.


I agree that avatars can be anything you like. An avatar is a image or an icon that represents us in the forum.

But I've read Felix's post 10 times and I can't see where he mentions avatars. I could be wrong, but I think he's referring to the general picture gallery.
Quote by RumpleForeskin
A writer can do anything they want, at least when if comes to punctuation. That said, believe Mickey and Google and DO NOT use quotation marks, either single or double, to show thoughts.



Cheers for that, Rumple. I owe you one.

I just thought it odd because I've read hundreds of books and don't recall ever reading an author who used inverted commas to indicate thought. It would give rise to ambiguity if anything, and the purpose of punctuation is to do the opposite of that.
Quote by sundancer2004
thats a dead giveaway in my mind that they either are A: a man poseing, B: A woman leading youon....... either way, not worth pursuing


Or C: your work colleagues playing a trick on you and pretending to be a pretty brunette to get you to divulge loads of intimate and sensitive information about yourself before connecting with you via and then falling about laughing when they appear on your laptop screen.

That happened to me once. I've never forgiven them, the fucking bastards.
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But of the 4662 females who used the site in the last month most are genuine (to a degree). There's a huge variety of people here and that's a very good thing.


You can't work on the assumption that a female account is genuine just because it has the sexual orientation set as straight. That's preposterous.

I'm pretty sure there are a fair number of homosexual men on here with a penchant for straight guys using fake female accounts to lure straight men. And they will have their female sexual orientation set as straight.

In fact, there is no way of knowing who is logged into an account at any given time. Several different people could be logging into a single account. It could be a woman one day, then a man the next.

The only way of knowing who is behind an account at any given time is by skyping with them when communicating online.
The moderators work extremely hard behind the scenes keeping this place running to its optimum performance, so they could probably do with a little help sometimes in giving out advice to members. Therefore if anybody has any grammar or punctuation related questions, get a thread going and I'll be happy to help.
I can't say I hate tattoos because "hate" is a strong word. I don't think I hate anything, to be honest. Though I can honestly say that I've never felt the need to have ink permanently embedded into my skin.

Here's a tip: If you want to look super-cool, invest in gold jewellery. Not only does it give you a air of class and affluence, it's also a pretty good investment. Even though the price of gold fluctuates, due to inflation you will never lose money on gold in the long-run.

10 years ago, I bought £500 worth of gold jewellery. I had it valued recently and was told it's now worth £1200. A £700 pound profit over 10 years isn't a great deal of money, but it's more than you'll get for a tattoo. In fact, if you went into a pawnbrokers and ask how much your tattoo's worth, the only thing you'll be leaving with is kick up the arse.
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we do try to be flexible, with the understanding that this is, at heart, an amateur site - usually, as long as it's consistent and it's obvious while reading, we try to be lenient in most cases. In Steph's case, while he writes a little outside the box, he IS consistent and he has developed it as a style. Also, he's really stubborn about change (and a brilliant writer, although i refuse to admit that in public).

btw, don't ever feel like i'm picking on you - i actually appreciate your thoughtful comments on writing within these threads.- that's why i do try to clarify at times - I know a lot of people don't have any idea what goes on in the back room when it comes to modding - a little transparency seems like a good idea. smile

sprite
senior story mod@LS/evil fairy bitch (hi Kiera!).


Thanks for that, Sprite.

Yes, a little clarity goes a long way sometimes. No, I don't think you or anyone else is picking on me. I just feel people get the wrong impression at times and think I'm challenging Lush's rules -- I'm really not.

I understand this is amateur site that has it's rules ingrained and has a set of principles by which it stands. If I had a problem with the site's rules or its members, I wouldn't be here.

Anyway, I'm always happy to help. If anybody has anymore questions, just throw them my way and I'll do my best to help out.
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I think some of the best writers in the world would disagree with you there. Might even laugh at somebody shying away from something simply because it's difficult to do effectivly.


Good point. Some might argue that you shouldn't shy away from something just because it's a difficult thing to master.

I think what makes internal thought sound awkward sometimes is the shift in tense. If you're writing narrative in the past tense, the internal thoughts have to be expressed in the present tense. When blending thought with narrative, you're jumping from one tense to another, and I believe that makes it sound clumsy at times.

And I agree that the best writers in the world would disagree with shying away from it. I'm currently reading a Stephen King book (not the best writer in the world, but certainly the most successful) called Bag of Bones and he uses italics to express internal thought frequently throughout and pulls it off beautifully. When done well, it can be effective in character development and suspense building.
Quote by overmykneenow
The best rule is simply to not use character thoughts - it's clunky and not very imaginative.

Show your characters thoughts, don't tell them.


Yes, I'll agree with this. It takes a very skilled writer to pull it off and make it effective. The key is to blend the thoughts into the narrative, but it is a very difficult skill to master.
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I would usually just ask Wilful or go with what Buz suggested tbh they are normally spot on and really helpful if you have any questions.


You should read the previous posts on this thread. We've already established that I'm right. However, the moderators are willing to bend the rules for those who wish to use single inverted commas to indicate thought.