Quote by Chryses
As requested, in my opinion, if you identify a cake in a display case that is for sale that you want to purchase, you cannot be denied the sale because of [the color of your skin, your religious POV, your sexual orientation, etc. ].
If, however, you request the cake maker create a cake celebrating a POV that is inconsistent with the world view of the cake maker, the cake maker can decline to do so.
ok. thanks for the straight answer (pun not intended 
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Quote by Chryses
Freedom of speech or religion, perhaps, but not discrimination.
so, i am curious. in YOUR opinion, do business's have the right to deny services to gays based on religious freedom simply because they are gay, or only if they are asking the business to do something that goes against their moral code? for example. if i go in and want to buy a cake, can they tell me no? or can they only deny me if i am asking for a wedding cake celebrating gay marriage?
Quote by Chryses
You are mistaken. I am not indulging in some body count, but merely bringing to your attention that the freedoms you take for granted were expensive to secure, and should not be dismissed lightly. For example, I firmly believe the freedom of speech that many misuse should not be curtailed. You seem to disagree with me about that.
I can accept that disagreement. Can you?
no. i am not, you just don't want to admit that you're a tool for a political party that doesn't actually give a shit about me, about you, about anyone but themselves and their donors.
Quote by Chryses
You are mistaken. I am not indulging in some body count, but merely bringing to your attention that the freedoms you take for granted were expensive to secure, and should not be dismissed lightly. For example, I firmly believe the freedom of speech that many misuse should not be curtailed. You seem to disagree with me about that.
I can accept that disagreement. Can you?
i am all in favor of freedom of speech as outlined in the Constitution. my issue as that the far right and GOP party does not. they their own agenda and they have hi-jacked it in order to push it as the expense of my community. btw, while i might feel like shooting some of the assholes spouting off anti-gay and anti-trans rhetoric, i don't. why? because that's not how it's supposed to work. also, it would be wrong. apparently, that's something that only conservatives do.
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Many thousands of our military have died defending the nation you have the freedom to criticize.
yep. and many of those deaths were in actions that were ethically and morally bankrupt. Vietnam, anyone? and how many of the far-right politicians were out there defending this nation? so yeah, don't give me that BS line about people dying to defend my freedom. how about all the fucking people not in the military who have died defending my freedoms? don't they count too?
Quote by Chryses
You are correct to say the ruling by the SCOTUS protecting our First Amendment rights was not the cause of the murder.
You are free to express your political opinions; that is the point of the SCOTUS ruling. That does not mean your political opinions are correct.
my opinions, however, are morally and ethically correct and i stand by them and will sleep well tonight having voiced them. apparently, you are more concerned about the "rightness" of the ruling than you are about those who will suffer because of them. you are, imo, and i'm probably not alone, morally bankrupt. i honestly don't wish the kind of fear and stress that those of use in the LGBTQ+ (and pretty much every minority community) live with on a day-to-day basis - no one deserves that - but i sincerely hope that you at least think about what it must but like to stand in another person's shoes. it's called empathy and compassion, two things that seem completely foreign to you.
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I reject the proposition that the First Amendment fosters hate and violence. In countries and places where the freedoms you take for granted are suppressed - Free Speech being the poster child - you will find more violence and hatred.
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so we should just be thankful that only a few of use are getting murdered because it's much worse in other countries? That woman had friends, a husband, fucking 9 kids. tell them that. hey, your mom died defending free speech cause hey, America is better than a lot of other fucking countries. bet they'll feel pretty good about the whole thing if they know that.
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Free Speech, as realized in the First Amendment is not about violence.
Felix is mistaken.
the point is, that people are interpreting it as what ever they want it to be, an agenda being pushed by the far right. this is not about the ruling. this is about the political and social climate of these here United States that has been pushed more and more over the last decade or so by the far right, conservatives, and the Republican party. you can dance around that all you want, but that is what is happening.
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The Free Speech Ms. Carleton expressed by flying that flag was not bullshit.
and she was murdered for it. is that what you think free speech should be about? Felix had it right. it's a call to violence and hate on the side of the far right against those they don't want polluting "their country".
Quote by Chryses
It is about Free Speech. The victim, Ms. Carleton, was defending her First Amendment right to free speech by flying the flag in question.
and she was murdered for it because of the rhetoric being pushed by the far right and quite a few politicians who are supposed to be representing ALL of us, while i truth, are doing their best to target those in the gay community. they hate us. they don't even try to hide it, and they foster hate against the LGBTQ+ community. you read about it every day. anti-gay and anti-trans. lots of you even push the idea here - keep trans-women out of sports! must be nice to be able to go about your day not having to worry about being harassed, assaulted, or murdered for simply being you. not all of us have that luxury.
this is not really about free speech, tho, is it. it's about the hatred and fear being fostered by the far-right against the LGBTQ+ community and their allies. they're pretty much opening the doors for people to commit violence and murder against those who belong to either group and then claiming that they can do that because, hey, free speech... so maybe it is a "free speech" issue. the freedom to incite hate and violence against anyone they don't like,
Quote by Ensorceled
Validated? Mentioned, perhaps.
DC police arrested over 300 people during the George Floyd Black Lives Matter riots. They arrested TWO in the "Black Pre-born Lives Matter" protests.
All the numbers are from your own article. “During the same summer,” observed Rao, “District police officers arrested two pro-life advocates in a smaller protest for chalking ‘Black Pre-Born Lives Matter’ on a public sidewalk."
The three judge panel was merely allowing the case to move forward. It wasn't deciding the case.
meanwhile, according to the other articles provided by the site, gay people are running around committing violence on straight people all over the country.
Quote by ElCoco
Appeals Court Made Up Of Obama and Biden Appointees Find That D.C. Has Discriminated Against Pro-Life Protesters
go check out the other stories on their site. they're hilarious.
Quote by Magical_felix
This is just beyond stupid.
um... wrong year. wrong author. smh.
posted some poetry over yonder...
https://www.storiesspace.com/stories/poetry/flower-moon-for-robbie
Quote by Ironic
I don't know if this is real. But if it is
Libs of TikTok on Twitter: "Self proclaimed “black supremacist” goes on unhinged racist tirade after finding out her sister slept with a white man. She vows to destroy the relationship before asking her boyfriend to “come and kill him for me.” She is reportedly a teacher in Texas and has a history of… https://t.co/C7bSVt6Udb" / X
And she's been fired for it
Chaya Raichik on Twitter: "How it started How it’s going https://t.co/8W6VdVrOFK" / X
Should Mr. Musk be willing to help her?
only if he plans on keeping his word.
Quote by Ironic
OK. That's funny!
But on a more serious note, I've started reading that 45-page inditement and Trump's going to run up more serious legal bills!
so far he's convinced a lot of people who aren't financially well off to cover them for him. don't see why he's not going to keep doing that.
Quote by Magical_felix
I think you're understanding exactly how half of the population thinks.
i know this. i deal with this a lot. it still makes me very sad and it's not just immigration. it's the anti-lgbtq+ laws, and the abortion laws, and the way we treat legal minorities... i could go on, but i'm starting to depress myself now.
