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Quote by moasan
whereas here it is two weeks.

If your own stories are really taking two weeks, fair to point that out, but I hope you are not getting the two-week figure by extrapolating from my above post. That one was due to a glitch and was an extreme outlier. I have NEVER otherwise had any of my 85+ published stories take over a week, and even with the recent slowdown it’s only been taking 2-3 days. If two weeks were typical, I couldn’t very well have published six stories in a 30-day period, as I recently did.

Quote by joe71

WannabeWordsmith just took care of it, and explained it was due to some bug that sometimes assigns a story to whoever approved your last one; without putting it in the queue. Anyway, to be clear I wasn’t complaining or considering it a serious hardship, but I guess it’s good I said something because no one but me knew the story was “stuck.” Still gonna take a break for a few weeks from updating my covers, to give you all a break.

❤️ Joe, could you maybe message the big Cheeto in the big White House about maybe following your lead and doing something for the good of the whole instead of just satisfying the one.

“A writer is a world trapped in a person” — Victor Hugo

❤️

As a mod, based on my experience, I'd like to offer two tips to get your story passed quicker: 1. Proofread it yourself using grammarly or ms word. It costs nothing and saves both you and the moderating team time. 2. Keep stories under 4k words. Moderators have jobs and lives and limited time for a site they volunteer to help on. A 10k word story takes a long.time to read and a mod is more likely to pick up and pass four 3k stories in an evening than one 10k.

Thank you all for your hard work❤️. I sent in a story last Thursday and I was wondering when it might get approved? Thank you again.



Quote by AAnna

Thank you all for your hard work❤️. I sent in a story last Thursday and I was wondering when it might get approved? Thank you again.

I looked in the queue but I couldn't see your story, which means someone has locked it for review!

Quote by MC1982

As a mod, based on my experience, I'd like to offer two tips to get your story passed quicker: 1. Proofread it yourself using grammarly or ms word. It costs nothing and saves both you and the moderating team time. 2. Keep stories under 4k words. Moderators have jobs and lives and limited time for a site they volunteer to help on. A 10k word story takes a long.time to read and a mod is more likely to pick up and pass four 3k stories in an evening than one 10k.

If I could add to this:

Please don't submit a new story immediately after having one approved. It clogs the queue and slows down the moderating process. Give it a couple of days before submitting the next one.

I know people are anxious to get their stories published. But your readers are likely reading more than just your story. You need to give them time to read and appreciate what you and other authors have written. 😎

Always Him - A tribute to true love and amazing sex

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Quote by MC1982

I looked in the queue but I couldn't see your story, which means someone has locked it for review!

Could you gently nudge them please! Thank you again for your response



Quote by techgoddess

If I could add to this:

Please don't submit a new story immediately after having one approved. It clogs the queue and slows down the moderating process. Give it a couple of days before submitting the next one.

I know people are anxious to get their stories published. But your readers are likely reading more than just your story. You need to give them time to read and appreciate what you and other authors have written. 😎

I admit to being a little gung-ho when I first started on Lush. For some reason, I thought I needed to do that in order to keep readers interested. But I likely just annoyed people instead lol

Quote by Hughtheman

I admit to being a little gung-ho when I first started on Lush. For some reason, I thought I needed to do that in order to keep readers interested. But I likely just annoyed people instead lol

I've also been guilty of that in the past. Once I realized I was bombarding my readers with stories, I eased back. LOL.

Always Him - A tribute to true love and amazing sex

Three Bourbons And A Beached Mule - A redhead walks into a bar…

Jake, Not From State Farm - He came to service the HVAC system...

Quote by techgoddess

If I could add to this:

Please don't submit a new story immediately after having one approved. It clogs the queue and slows down the moderating process. Give it a couple of days before submitting the next one.

I know people are anxious to get their stories published. But your readers are likely reading more than just your story. You need to give them time to read and appreciate what you and other authors have written. 😎

what is the polite wait time? I pulled the third story to wait 2 days? three?

I publish one or two in a month, then wait three or four at least, as a kindness to my readers.

Best advice (IMO - nothing 'official' here!):

1. Don't submit super-long stories. I mostly mod on my lunch break, so I automatically skip over anything that's over 3000 or so words. When I have time to mod in the evening, and the queue is backed up, I'm going to mod 3 stories that are 3-4k words over 1 that's 10k.

2. Proofread your stories before you submit them. Every one we send back means that it's being modded at least twice, which slows down the verification times for everyone. Grammarly is free, use it smile

3. Don't flood the queue. When we see the same authors submitting one story after another, whether it's conscious or not, we (or at least I) tend to skip over you to give some other writers a chance.

4. Don't use AI. Trust us, we know when you do. Most of them are horrible to read, and when you're reading dozens (or more) stories a week, it becomes painful to read yet another AI story. At least a few of us will always prioritize a human-written story over an AI story.

Want the best turnaround time? Aim for stories that are under 4000k (break larger stories into multiple parts!), proofread your stories before you submit them, give yourself 4-5 days (even a week!) between submissions, and write them yourself.

I try really hard not to submit one after the other. Right now that’s fairly easy as my mind is blank. I have noticed, however, that some authors’ names appear on a very regular basis. How they find the time, or imagination to write thousands of words in such a short space of time is beyond me.

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I try really hard not to submit one after the other. Right now, that’s pretty easy as my mind is blank. I have noticed, however, that some authors’ names appear very regularly. How they find the time, or imagination, to write thousands of words in such a short space of time is beyond me.

I was unaware of the wait thing. As far as the time, I literally wrote West End Girl in an afternoon. Sadly, the submission was not the polished-up version Chet had proofread (Sorry). At least now I can take the time to polish the turds, so to speak. Still, no. If I get into a story, I can go deep and get a good 4K written. That gets Pared to 3500-3k. I literally write every thought, note, everything, then start pruning.

Quote by Mandapanda2025

I was unaware of the wait thing. As far as the time, I literally wrote West End Girl in an afternoon. Sadly, the submission was not the polished-up version Chet had proofread (Sorry). At least now I can take the time to polish the turds, so to speak. Still, no. If I get into a story, I can go deep and get a good 4K written. That gets Pared to 3500-3k. I literally write every thought, note, everything, then start pruning.

That’s a really great skill. Well done. I rarely write a long story. I’m not that accomplished.

Quote by Shyexhibitionist
How they find the time, or imagination to write thousands of words in such a short space of time is beyond me.

We have a lot of prolific writers here who have been doing it for years, they amaze me.

But…a lot of the people who are writing thousands of words every few days are using AI. We know who they are smile

It's funny, but one I have written is coming up in Grammarly as AI. Maybe because I used AI to frame an outline?

Quote by Mandapanda2025
It's funny, but one I have written is coming up in Grammarly as AI. Maybe because I used AI to frame an outline?

Yes. As I've mentioned before on another thread and via PM, you shouldn't use AI for anything.

Only spelling and grammar checking.

Curiosity is one of those insatiable passions that grow by gratification.

Quote by GreyMatter

We have a lot of prolific writers here who have been doing it for years, they amaze me.

But…a lot of the people who are writing thousands of words every few days are using AI. We know who they are smile

I know there are some exceptional authors on Lush wifh years of experience. I am in awe of their talent. I’ve been following the AI posts. I can’t understand what motivates people to pass off work which is not their own. Where is the satisfaction which comes from effort and work?

Quote by AvidlyCurious

Yes. As I've mentioned before on another thread and via PM, you shouldn't use AI for anything.

Only spelling and grammar checking.

Manda has me for spelling and grammar checking. 😉

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Manda has me for spelling and grammar checking. 😉

That's great! Thanks for helping her.

So there's absolute no reason for using AI.

Curiosity is one of those insatiable passions that grow by gratification.

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It's funny, but one I have written is coming up in Grammarly as AI. Maybe because I used AI to frame an outline?

As AC said, don’t use AI for any part of your writing process. We’re not using Grammarly to scan for AI, we have other methods that I won’t discuss publicly - but we can tell who is using AI and to what degree (ie a fully written AI story or one that’s been AI written and heavily edited, ones that were written with AI assistance etc). Anyone who thinks they’re sneaking one past us because we’ve published their story is sadly mistaken.

My advice to you - and everyone else - is to embrace being an amateur writer. We all started somewhere. Use your time here on Lush to develop your skills over time - you will get better, I promise. And you’ll get lots of help and feedback from the mods and the community along the way.

I can’t tell you how much I’d rather mod a story that is human written that needs some help - even a lot of help - vs modding an AI story.

The faux polish of AI writing is nauseating to read. When you’re sometimes reading 15 stories a day and 10 of them have the same AI voice, cadence, writing patterns, when we see the same words and phrases being used over and over again, week after week, month after month… we (at least some of us) get to a point where we can’t read them any more and they sit in the queue.

Humans are imperfect and messy, let your stories be the same! I promise that as you develop your own voice, your own style, your own way of expressing things you’re going to gain a following of readers who love your work. It’ll take time, but it’s SO worth it!

Quote by GreyMatter
My advice to you - and everyone else - is to embrace being an amateur writer. We all started somewhere. Use your time here on Lush to develop your skills over time - you will get better, I promise. And you’ll get lots of help and feedback from the mods and the community along the way.

This is good feedback. But it is also something that I struggle with.

I go through my stories dozens of times, writing, rewriting, tweaking, and trying to make them as polished as possible. I want each one to be “perfect” before submitting it. That is just me and my OCD. Part of it is ego. At the same time, I acknowledge that I am also still figuring things out, so I when mods take the time to share feedback, I appreciate that.

Quote by GreyMatter
We’re not using Grammarly to scan for AI, we have other methods that I won’t discuss publicly - but we can tell who is using AI and to what degree (ie a fully written AI story or one that’s been AI written and heavily edited, ones that were written with AI assistance etc). Anyone who thinks they’re sneaking one past us because we’ve published their story is sadly mistaken.

I am curious… Why?

If you feel certain that some stories are AI written (or heavily AI assisted), why are mods letting them slide through? Why don’t you shut those stories down and/or ban those authors from the site?

Quote by GreyMatter
I agree 100%. It takes time to get better just look at me. I began writing 7 years ago. My first stories were mostly poems and I had a lot of help with those and mostly with my stories in the beginning from people who were willing to help me which I needed a lot of. Many who helped at that time were members and authors and I did get a lot of help from some kind Mods. I co-wrote a lot in those days.

I use Grammarly to write now and and help with punctuation. I DO NOT use AI. When I am done there I copy paste that into Microsoft Word and that catches anything that is wrong or I like to think it does. After that Word has a thing that helps me I let it read back my story to me and anything I don't like I change. From there I then send it in. That may sound like a lot to do but once you begin it really does not take all that long. I like to think when I send in my stories that Mods have very little if anything to do.

As AC said, don’t use AI for any part of your writing process. We’re not using Grammarly to scan for AI, we have other methods that I won’t discuss publicly - but we can tell who is using AI and to what degree (ie a fully written AI story or one that’s been AI written and heavily edited, ones that were written with AI assistance etc). Anyone who thinks they’re sneaking one past us because we’ve published their story is sadly mistaken.

My advice to you - and everyone else - is to embrace being an amateur writer. We all started somewhere. Use your time here on Lush to develop your skills over time - you will get better, I promise. And you’ll get lots of help and feedback from the mods and the community along the way.

I can’t tell you how much I’d rather mod a story that is human written that needs some help - even a lot of help - vs modding an AI story.

The faux polish of AI writing is nauseating to read. When you’re sometimes reading 15 stories a day and 10 of them have the same AI voice, cadence, writing patterns, when we see the same words and phrases being used over and over again, week after week, month after month… we (at least some of us) get to a point where we can’t read them any more and they sit in the queue.

Humans are imperfect and messy, let your stories be the same! I promise that as you develop your own voice, your own style, your own way of expressing things you’re going to gain a following of readers who love your work. It’ll take time, but it’s SO worth it!



Quote by paddlingincognito
I want each one to be “perfect” before submitting it.

I, for one, embrace human's perfect imperfections, as the song goes.

The problem is, people seem to think that AI doesn't make mistakes (it does, abundantly), and they don't realise it's basically taking bits and pieces from others' works.

Curiosity is one of those insatiable passions that grow by gratification.

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I am curious… Why?

If you feel certain that some stories are AI written (or heavily AI assisted), why are mods letting them slide through? Why don’t you shut those stories down and/or ban those authors from the site?

I know you didn't ask me, but I'm going to answer anyway because I've been modding like a madwoman all week, trying to slay that queue. (Hence my new avatar).

I can tell you that I've learned a lot about identifying tells and patterns of AI writing, but I'm not trained to do so, and neither are most of the mods. We are all volunteers. Sometimes lines from stories by really great writers can look like AI-generated patterns because AI analyzes human writing and mimics certain styles. Which means we sometimes can't be sure. So, we do our best, but it takes extra time to review stories that we suspect are not completely written by humans.

My personal feeling is that if a story has so many tells that it reads more AI than human, I will send it back to the author. But if I am not sure, I will sometimes approve a story while suggesting that an author not overuse certain patterns or literary devices that make a story read as inauthentic or robotic.

Jen has flat-out said that AI stories will not be accepted. But that doesn't stop authors from submitting them anyway. And since we don't have formal training or the time to scan every story, some are going to slip through. We do our best.

Always Him - A tribute to true love and amazing sex

Three Bourbons And A Beached Mule - A redhead walks into a bar…

Jake, Not From State Farm - He came to service the HVAC system...

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The problem is, people seem to think that AI doesn't make mistakes (it does, abundantly), and they don't realise it's basically taking bits and pieces from others' works.

That sounds like a terrible case of plagiarism, eh?

Quote by paddlingincognito

I am curious… Why?

If you feel certain that some stories are AI written (or heavily AI assisted), why are mods letting them slide through? Why don’t you shut those stories down and/or ban those authors from the site?


I'll answer your first question first.

I get that too. It's something I also went through. When I write a story, I usually do 3-5 drafts, and I heavily edit each one. The story usually doesn't feel right until I get to that 4th draft, and then when I upload it to Lush, always end up doing some more minor changes as I read through it one last time before hitting submit.

Our stories don't have to be perfect, but the grammar and syntax should be at a level where they don't distract from the enjoyment of reading your story. We're all amateurs here, no one is setting an expectation of perfection. A hard lesson to learn (from a fellow perfectionist!) - over-polishing a story will ruin it more often than it will help it.


As for the AI issue...

It's a difficult question to answer, but I want to be as transparent as possible. The short answer is that it's an ongoing and ever-evolving conversation. There are a lot of angles to consider. We're also aware of the situation that is happening with Literotica and their writers, and we're taking measures to not repeat their mistakes. So while we're taking a more conservative approach, we're keenly aware of the problem and have discussed many different possible courses of action, trying to determine how to best deal with the problem. Our goal is to find an objective way to avoid confrontations ie provide objective evidence, not make accusations.

I've done A LOT of research in terms of using different AI detectors, and we haven't been happy or confident with any of the results. I don't want to say anything that will help AI writers, but the publicly available AI detectors are flawed and based on "x,y, and z" can give false positives or false negatives, so they don't set the standard that we want to have.

I have access to 2 different private AI detectors that are MUCH more reliable.

One was trained from the ground up by a group of professional Dungeons & Dragons writers because their jobs are being threatened by AI writing. That detector is incredibly accurate, but we don't have constant access to it. I can send them stories one at a time to check, but that's not a practical solution when we publish as many stories as we do.

I've also recently gained access to a detector that is being developed by the University of Waterloo. For those that don't know, U of W is sort of like Canada's version of MIT in that it's a university that is known for math, engineering, computer science etc.

What they have is incredible and funny. It's being made for students to scan their papers before they submit them, and because its target audience is students, the feedback it gives is really funny. I've dubbed it the 'Snarky AI detector' because it always says the funniest shit.

I don't know what the timeline is for that going public, or if it will actually go public, but right now I have a friend who is a librarian at a local college, and he's been given access to it as he's part of the stress-testing team. Its accuracy is outstanding.

And finally - and I realize how unconvincing this will sound to a lot of people, and few would accept it as being grounds to ban someone, especially a paid account - but the honest truth is that we read so many AI stories, a lot of us can tell just by reading them. We don't need fancy detectors, the AI tells come through in the writing. When you know what to look for, it's easy to spot and hard to ignore. I don't want to name or list things publicly, but these things are present in all AI stories, even ones that have been heavily edited by a human. The AI 'imprint' runs much deeper than most people realize, so just removing em dashes and other common features of AI writing doesn't actually hide anything from us.

I won't say what, but there are 3 things that I can look for, and if all three are present in a story, there's an 80+% chance (and I'm being generous, it's probabbly a 99% chance) the story was AI-written or AI-assisted.

And I keep saying this, but it's true - people who think that they're getting away with it because we're currently publishing those stories aren't fooling us. We're just talking a conservative approach to dealing with the issue.

You are FAR better off writing your own stories, developing your own skills, and building a following slowly over time, than using AI to leap ahead and then letting down your readers when they come to realize that you didn't actually write your own stories.