Donald J Trump, The Criminal and Grifter

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Tell you this much I hope when we get a Democrat in office, they declare Maga a terrorist threat

This would mean Civil War.

They'd better stay away from things like that and focus on bringing the system back to its original state.

I still can't believe how the Democrats and everyone supporting them kept Trump in the spotlight with all those lawsuits and the endless coverage of everything MAGA does.

Not again, let it die slowly on its own. There is no substance in it anyways.

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This would mean Civil War.

Civil war, which many on the far right have wanted for years to provoke, may well be coming sooner than that.

Besides being a sop to those in his rural base who hate cities, Trump's/Hegseth's military invasions of "Democrat cities" seem deliberately intended to provoke resistance. Even a small amount of violence (or possibly even nonviolent resistance) on the part of protesters in the occupied cities will likely result in a disproportionate response, supported rabidly by Trump's base, and could quickly spiral out of control.

By renaming the Department of Defense to Department of War, Trump threatening in a speech this week to use domestic cities as "training grounds" for troops who are not ordinarily allowed to fight on American soil, and Hegseth boldly proclaiming an increased emphasis on military "lethality," the Administration is openly signaling a desire to wage civil war.

Keep an eye on what happens in Portland. Illegally federalized Oregon troops occupied the city for the first time yesterday, with a bit of violence perpetrated against protestors but cooler heads mostly prevailing. Then the city seemed to get a reprieve last night, with a Federal judge temporarily ordering a halt. That case will go to the Ninth Circuit, which is almost certain to uphold yesterday's ruling. And then ... it will go to SCOTUS, probably on the emergency docket, and who the fuck knows what they're thinking anymore?

Meanwhile today, Trump executed an end run around last night's ruling, whose scope was limited to the Oregon National Guard, by sending up the illegally federalized California National Guard. Watch this space and pray.

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Civil war, which many on the far right have wanted for years to provoke, may well be coming sooner than that.

Besides being a sop to those in his rural base who hate cities, Trump's/Hegseth's military invasions of "Democrat cities" seem deliberately intended to provoke resistance. Even a small amount of violence (or possibly even nonviolent resistance) on the part of protesters in the occupied cities will likely result in a disproportionate response, supported rabidly by Trump's base, and could quickly spiral out of control.

By renaming the Department of Defense to Department of War, Trump threatening in a speech this week to use domestic cities as "training grounds" for troops who are not ordinarily allowed to fight on American soil, and Hegseth boldly proclaiming an increased emphasis on military "lethality," the Administration is openly signaling a desire to wage civil war.

Keep an eye on what happens in Portland. Illegally federalized Oregon troops occupied the city for the first time yesterday, with a bit of violence perpetrated against perpetrators but cooler heads mostly prevailing. Then the city seemed to get a reprieve last night, with a Federal judge temporarily ordering a halt. That case will go to the Ninth Circuit, which is almost certain to uphold yesterday's ruling. And then ... it will go to SCOTUS, probably on the emergency docket, and who the fuck knows what they're thinking anymore?

Meanwhile today, Trump executed an end run around last night's ruling, whose scope was limited to the Oregon National Guard, by sending up the illegally federalized California National Guard. Watch this space and pray.

Fortunately Trump‘s test of our generals if that’s what it was seem to feel miserably. By their reaction to his outrageous comments in that of his lackey, it would appear that they officer core of our armies and military forces will not back his attempts to usurp our government. They may believe that a bunch of redneck hicks can beat the US Army in a fight, but I believe they would find such a contest one-sided, not only in the quality of the army in Air Force, but in the numbers of maga that would actually show up for the fight

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Fortunately Trump‘s test of our generals if that’s what it was seem to feel miserably. By their reaction to his outrageous comments in that of his lackey, it would appear that they officer core of our armies and military forces will not back his attempts to usurp our government. They may believe that a bunch of redneck hicks can beat the US Army in a fight, but I believe they would find such a contest one-sided, not only in the quality of the army in Air Force, but in the numbers of maga that would actually show up for the fight

Most checks and balances seem to have failed so far.

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Most checks and balances seem to have failed so far.

For the moment. It’s shameful the GOP has been complicit but they won the election so they feel empowered. What matters regarding that is the mid terms next year.

If they are able to steal an election then the system has failed and God help us and the world

But I don’t believe they will be able to do that.

The Supreme Court is another issue and the question then will be if a new democratic president in 28 will have the courage to expand the court or investigate it for corruption

We face an unprecedented problem where a major party is acting in concert to subvert our laws and we’ve never seen that in 250 years so we are in very dangerous ground now.

The one thing we have going for us is that Trump leads not by idiolgy but through a personality cult and he’s in poor health and 79 years old. Should he pass, Vance won’t be able to replace that and the GOP will lose the right-center votes over night

His passing is our best chance to end this movement because without those 70 million votes Trump moved to the polls MAGA will lose mandate and the party will fracture. And the weak performance of MAGA in elections where Trump isn’t on the Ballet gives me confidence that their grip is going to fade as soon as he takes his dirt nap

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For the moment. It’s shameful the GOP has been complicit but they won the election so they feel empowered. What matters regarding that is the mid terms next year.

If they are able to steal an election then the system has failed and God help us and the world

But I don’t believe they will be able to do that.

The Supreme Court is another issue and the question then will be if a new democratic president in 28 will have the courage to expand the court or investigate it for corruption

We face an unprecedented problem where a major party is acting in concert to subvert our laws and we’ve never seen that in 250 years so we are in very dangerous ground now.

The one thing we have going for us is that Trump leads not by idiolgy but through a personality cult and he’s in poor health and 79 years old. Should he pass, Vance won’t be able to replace that and the GOP will lose the right-center votes over night

His passing is our best chance to end this movement because without those 70 million votes Trump moved to the polls MAGA will lose mandate and the party will fracture. And the weak performance of MAGA in elections where Trump isn’t on the Ballet gives me confidence that their grip is going to fade as soon as he takes his dirt nap

Precisely. Instead of the checks and balances it's an unrelated issue that may, or may not, save the country (and the world, given the power the US still has globally).

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Precisely. Instead of the checks and balances it's an unrelated issue that may, or may not, save the country (and the world, given the power the US still has globally).

That’s one of my greatest fears. Donald Trump and his fascination with autocracy and the autographs who rule them. I could easily see him wanting a world where the United States Russia and China split the world into thirds. His obsession with invading Greenland and Canada and Panama and Venezuela only reinforced that idea.

Fortunately, even the most of the hard-core mag don’t agree with him on that and those ideas poll very poorly, which is why he hasn’t acted on them.

Issue by issue, the actual policies that he and his cult for lack of a better word push poll very badly. And he’s been blocked with resultingly in the lower courts on most of his ridiculous lawsuits and policies. It’s only the Supreme Court that has been giving him any traction at all.

We’ve got a demagogue on her hands and due to a combination of factors, from inflation, driven by Covid and the blame that that was put on the Biden administration, the Progressive’s not backing Harris because they weren’t happy with her support for Palestine, and immigration issues similar to what you see in much of Europe and the reaction to it real loud a group of extremist to take power in the country

But now even his immigration policies are polling poorly.

And Donald Trump got elected with some surprising demographics

Women voted for him by a 45 percentile margin

Black Americans Voted for him for over 20%

Latinos shockingly voted for him by 42% and it goes on and on with other minorities that didn’t understand how they were going to be treated

But they know now and. those numbers with all of those groups have cratered. And all of his attempts to lockdown cities with federal troops and his evasion of the Epstein files, which is own base doesn’t support will lead to electoral destruction for their his party in the midterms.

Now we just have to watch and see if his followers in states and the federal government will risk an actual attempt to fix an election in this nation. We haven’t seen that ever happen before in a large scale. Hopefully, we won’t see it now, but if the Democrats keep their eyes open and are watching they should be able to prevent it.

But I hear people all the time now whispering about a national strike should that occur so there will be resistance. I’m 61 years old and I’ve never seen anger like this bubbling under the surface.

This isn’t over yet

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But I hear people all the time now whispering about a national strike should that occur so there will be resistance. I’m 61 years old and I’ve never seen anger like this bubbling under the surface.

This isn’t over yet

I grew up in the 60s & 70s. The Vietnam War was very polarizing. But we didn't really seem to "hate our neighbor" because they were on the other side of the issue. That's why I agree that anger is bubbling and at some point it will explode.

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Trump neck pussy update 10/14/25

Very lush.

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We’ve got a demagogue on her hands and due to a combination of factors, from inflation, driven by Covid and the blame that that was put on the Biden administration, the Progressive’s not backing Harris because they weren’t happy with her support for Palestine, and immigration issues similar to what you see in much of Europe and the reaction to it real loud a group of extremist to take power in the country

This isn’t over yet

I suppose it depends upon where you've dredged up your information, but this is the first time I've heard that Progressive Liberals didn't vote for Harris because she supports the Palestinians - when in my experience and (sources I dredged up) that is entirely 180 degrees NOT the case.

I've lost a handful of online Lush friends here because I've proposed that the current regime leading Israel needs to be put on trial at The Hague for the genocide they've inflicted upon GAZA since the early 1990s. I was immediately called an anti-semite who must love Hamas and Hezbollah. And that has never been a belief I've held or expressed. That entire region needs to see zero bloodshed, zero genocide, zero aerial bombing runs, zero missile launches/retaliation.

And Bibi is a war criminal and he's all for retaliation as well as instigation. Motherfucker.

https://thirdnarrative.org/is-it-possible-to-progressive-and-pro-israel/

No argument about your feelings toward Israel or Bibi from me. I got into it with several of their citizens online over their indifference to Ukraine and the attitude that, and I quote, ‘no longer needed the US anymore’

Frankly they have turned into the same kind of tyrants their people fled from.

As to progressives not supporting Biden over his waffling on Gaza, they were the ones who originally tagged him as ‘genocide Joe’.

I've got into it with a number of them as well. 🤷‍♂️

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I suppose it depends upon where you've dredged up your information, but this is the first time I've heard that Progressive Liberals didn't vote for Harris because she supports the Palestinians - when in my experience and (sources I dredged up) that is entirely 180 degrees NOT the case.

I've lost a handful of online Lush friends here because I've proposed that the current regime leading Israel needs to be put on trial at The Hague for the genocide they've inflicted upon GAZA since the early 1990s. I was immediately called an anti-semite who must love Hamas and Hezbollah. And that has never been a belief I've held or expressed. That entire region needs to see zero bloodshed, zero genocide, zero aerial bombing runs, zero missile launches/retaliation.

And Bibi is a war criminal and he's all for retaliation as well as instigation. Motherfucker.

https://thirdnarrative.org/is-it-possible-to-progressive-and-pro-israel/

Perhaps this will better explaine my point

The left has a huge issue with nitpicking (for the lack of a better word) when it comes to their candidates. I don't have first hand experience obviously but from what I've seen online, particularly about Gavin Newsome who I love and think is exactly hot enough to win, people hate some of his policies justifiably so they just won't commit. It's the same when asking strong candidates about AIPAC donations. It doesn't matter to them that he has a chance to win and he's much better than Trump when he is hard on the homeless. They want someone they agree with all the time. It’s a kind of moral naïveté that Republicans don’t have. That’s what makes them so deadly in politics, which is a cesspit where no ethics actually exist.

Prioritising ideological purity leads to a circular firing squad for Democrats, again and again, because it keeps people from voting. I mentioned it before the elections, and looking at the results now, I think that prediction held up pretty well.

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The left has a huge issue with nitpicking (for the lack of a better word) when it comes to their candidates. I don't have first hand experience obviously but from what I've seen online, particularly about Gavin Newsome who I love and think is exactly hot enough to win, people hate some of his policies justifiably so they just won't commit. It's the same when asking strong candidates about AIPAC donations. It doesn't matter to them that he has a chance to win and he's much better than Trump when he is hard on the homeless. They want someone they agree with all the time. It’s a kind of moral naïveté that Republicans don’t have. That’s what makes them so deadly in politics, which is a cesspit where no ethics actually exist.

Prioritising ideological purity leads to a circular firing squad for Democrats, again and again, because it keeps people from voting. I mentioned it before the elections, and looking at the results now, I think that prediction held up pretty well.

A lot of what you wrote is true. But the issue in the last Presidential election was Trumnp campaigned for 4 years, Harris had 107 days. On top ofthat she was a woman and biracial. There is no doubt in my mind that those factors greatly affected the results. Plus we all know Trump will and does say anything that he thinks will get hinm elected or keep him popular.

The saying goes that at elections Democratic supporters have fall in love with their candidates while the Republicans just fall in line.

That's true in the UK as well...

The Democrats did handle things badly, Joe Biden should not have run a second time and ok, I know he didn't, but had he stepped down/announced his intention to not run again say a year out from the election that would have given the Democrats plenty of time to go through the primary process and select someone and give them a run and build up some momentum. Instead Biden insisted he was going to run and the media attention was focused on Trump who ran away with the Republican nomination and then it became clear that Biden was no longer up to the job. That TV debate he had with Trump was excruciating. Kamala Harris was really given a hospital pass.

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The saying goes that at elections Democratic supporters have fall in love with their candidates while the Republicans just fall in line.

That's true in the UK as well...

The Democrats did handle things badly, Joe Biden should not have run a second time and ok, I know he didn't, but had he stepped down/announced his intention to not run again say a year out from the election that would have given the Democrats plenty of time to go through the primary process and select someone and give them a run and build up some momentum. Instead Biden insisted he was going to run and the media attention was focused on Trump who ran away with the Republican nomination and then it became clear that Biden was no longer up to the job. That TV debate he had with Trump was excruciating. Kamala Harris was really given a hospital pass.

I have to admit I was disappointed when Biden announced. He was gonna run instead of letting new blood come in. I never did understand what he was thinking.

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A lot of what you wrote is true. But the issue in the last Presidential election was Trumnp campaigned for 4 years, Harris had 107 days. On top ofthat she was a woman and biracial. There is no doubt in my mind that those factors greatly affected the results. Plus we all know Trump will and does say anything that he thinks will get hinm elected or keep him popular.

But also to PrincessC’s point, lots of people don’t vote for Kamala because of Palestine, or because she used to be a cop or whatever. Like taking some single issue which republicans have an even worse record with and not voting for the democrats. Like they’d rather throw there vote away on the Green Party, which I feel is just a party funded by Republican dark money, or not vote at all. It’s stupid. It’s like being on the serial killers side because the victim got a DUI once.

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But also to PrincessC’s point, lots of people don’t vote for Kamala because of Palestine, or because she used to be a cop or whatever. Like taking some single issue which republicans have an even worse record with and not voting for the democrats. Like they’d rather throw there vote away on the Green Party, which I feel is just a party funded by Republican dark money, or not vote at all. It’s stupid. It’s like being on the serial killers side because the victim got a DUI once.

This exactly

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But also to PrincessC’s point, lots of people don’t vote for Kamala because of Palestine, or because she used to be a cop or whatever. Like taking some single issue which republicans have an even worse record with and not voting for the democrats. Like they’d rather throw there vote away on the Green Party, which I feel is just a party funded by Republican dark money, or not vote at all. It’s stupid. It’s like being on the serial killers side because the victim got a DUI once.

Princess C made some excellent points. In particular, about the Green Party. If you want to create a third-party start local and work your way up. I've never seen a third-party candidate for a truly local office, such as the city council or county commission. Why does that party think starting at the top will actually work? However, in 2000 Nader's 97,000+ votes could have swung the election to Gore in Florida.

And in today's world, "sitting out" a national election is no longer an acceptable option. If voters continue to do that we are going to wind up with a dictator in charge probably worse than the one we have now.

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But also to PrincessC’s point, lots of people don’t vote for Kamala because of Palestine, or because she used to be a cop or whatever. Like taking some single issue which republicans have an even worse record with and not voting for the democrats. Like they’d rather throw there vote away on the Green Party, which I feel is just a party funded by Republican dark money, or not vote at all. It’s stupid. It’s like being on the serial killers side because the victim got a DUI once.

The left cripple their own candidates, the right weaponises it, and centrists and the far left convince themselves abstaining is the moral high ground. I had a few chats on here with far left people and all of them were too smart for their own good. It's like people don't know how to win anymore.

People will do anything but vote. They want to feel edgy and ethical, but really, they’re being stupid. You shouldn't have to protest, just fucking vote for your interests even if it's not all perfect and wonderful. Do you think republicans care Trump is a sex pest? No, they care about taxation and they accept that it comes with a side of .

There’s very little chance of far-right policies being dismantled. Wealth accumulation and neo-colonialism have gone too far. The only chance the average person has is to keep voting, incrementally, for even the slightest pull to the left.

Live in the world you're in, not the world you wish it was.

Vurp

Typical Trump response to the Dems sweeping the 2025 elections. "Trump wasn't on the ballot, and shutdown, were the two reasons that Republicans lost elections tonight." Not an inkling that his policies were the main reason for many of the Democratic sweeps.

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Typical Trump response to the Dems sweeping the 2025 elections. "Trump wasn't on the ballot, and shutdown, were the two reasons that Republicans lost elections tonight." Not an inkling that his policies were the main reason for many of the Democratic sweeps.

well, he’s right about part of that. The shutdown is one of the reasons they got beat up so bad.

Because the Republicans are being blamed for their shutdown

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well, he’s right about part of that. The shutdown is one of the reasons they got beat up so bad.

Because the Republicans are being blamed for their shutdown

That's true David. But in Virginia where Dems swept the 3 state offices and added to their majority in the House of Delegates, few if any (when polled) listed the shutdown as a reason to vote Democratic. Most listed the economy, job losses (via DOGE) and the crackdown on immigrants.

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That's true David. But in Virginia where Dems swept the 3 state offices and added to their majority in the House of Delegates, few if any (when polled) listed the shutdown as a reason to vote Democratic. Most listed the economy, job losses (via DOGE) and the crackdown on immigrants.

Virginia was the home of a massive number of government workers who've either lost jobs already or are in fear of it happening soon.

But what, exactly did the GOP expect?

Trump won based on lies about inflation and added tariffs to make it worse

He achieved unheard of success with Latino voters, promising the same and also that deportations would only affect criminals and hen turned around and declared war on their entire ethnic group.

He promised farmers he'd make America Great Again, what the hell that meant, and then destroyed their exports and gave a bail out to the nation that took their business...

If I didn't know better, I'd say be left the democratic party and joined the GOP just to destroy it because he couldn't be doing more damage to them if he tried.

As an example, he won almost 8 million of the Latino votes in 24, fully 46% of those cast-a record number for the GOP. Even more so, he won 54% in Texas and 56% in Florida. Those voters are a big reason wny those are still red states-

And then he removed the legal status of half a million Cuban and Haitian migrants, almost all in Florida and thinks that won't make the rest enraged?

40 million Americans benefit from SNAP, and even though a court has ordered him to continue the payments he’s refusing to let them have money to buy food

And 45% of those people live in red states 24% of them are registered Republicans. did nobody in the GOP realize that that was not going to do well for them in the election?

53 million people are on Medicaid and the entire shut down is over the cuts to Medicaid and the closure of hospitals and the bills have gone out and people have seen how large their premiums are gonna go.

And yet the GOP thinks they’re gonna continue to receive votes from those people?

And did they not count how close Congress was? They had 219 seats while the Democrats sell 213 and there were three vacancies. The Control this Senate 53 to 47, and this was after probably the greatest showing the the GOP is made an election in decades all that they were barely holding onto power

Donald Trump won the election by a mere 3 million votes, and he’s made probably 70 million people absolutely enraged with him many of whom voted for him in the first place.

No, I’m not saying he’s deliberately trying to destroy the GOP but he couldn’t be doing a better job of it if he was

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This would mean Civil War.

They'd better stay away from things like that and focus on bringing the system back to its original state.

I still can't believe how the Democrats and everyone supporting them kept Trump in the spotlight with all those lawsuits and the endless coverage of everything MAGA does.

Not again, let it die slowly on its own. There is no substance in it anyways.

why would that be a civil war anymore than when you guys declared antifa a terrorist threat?

Because you’re violent? Because you want a civil war?

We aren’t bowing down to fear and you guys are terrorists and you’re gonna hate it when you lose power because there’s gonna be a reckoning and if you wanna take to the streets with weapons, the army will be glad to make grease spots out of all of you

Look at this dignified US President. He looks like he's had half a dozen strokes this year and can barely stand up without toppling over.

I flipped on fox for a few mins - they had vance on, asking him questions about healthcare. I didnguy't listen to what he said.

that seemed to me that they were getting him ready to take over.

me thinks dumpy is dead man walking.

and I am happy.

It’s amazing to me that a president can threaten Congresspeople with execution for stating the law about following illegal military orders. That’s especially true when not a single person in his immediate family has ever served in a branch of the US military.