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Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 20:01



To the police first, not a lawyer. Perhaps I should have put "first" at the end of that sentence for clarity? Yes that's what I said. I would have gone to the police first. How does that blame the victim?



"His predatory bullshit could have been stopped years ago but did victims go to the police? No. They went to their lawyers first and settled out of court. ELEVEN women, took the money and ran. If I was sexually assaulted, the first place I would be going is the police station not my lawyer.

I'm not saying they deserved it, nobody does but if they had pressed charges he wouldn't have been able to continue that behaviour for so long."


You conveniently left out the previous quote of your earlier post, the one that people reacted to. I have copied and pasted because I did not want to bother to find it again. You clearly blame the victims for how they responded and for his continuing behaviour and say they took the money and ran. I am not alone in having called you out on this.

No more back and forth from me. I am not dancing this dance with you any more.


Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 16:48

His predatory bullshit could have been stopped years ago but did victims go to the police? No. They went to their lawyers first and settled out of court. ELEVEN women, took the money and ran. If I was sexually assaulted, the first place I would be going is the police station not my lawyer.

I'm not saying they deserved it, nobody does but if they had pressed charges he wouldn't have been able to continue that behaviour for so long.

I wasn't victim shaming. That's the way you interpreted it. Never said they were stupid or should go to the police instead of a lawyer. Don't twist my words.

trinket wrote-Monday, October 16, 2017 8-14-12 PM:

Am I supposed to laugh at that? please show me where I said that? Do you actually have anything of worth to add to the thread or are you just going to make jokes about sexual assault?

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I have quoted and copied your words above without editing. You said you would go to the police first, not a lawyer and by implication that is what you think they should have done.

As to actually having anything to add to this thread we have had to wade through your psychodrama when people disagreed with you and called you out on victim shaming. So, before dismissing HeraTeleia's remarks this way, you should have a look at all of the space taken up by your narcissistic complaining. You haven't exactly added anything to the debate each time you have posted.










Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 15:17

Well said, Rachel.

I will add a few things. When things like this happen it is important to some people to politicize them and make it a left-right issue rather than an issue of power exerted (mostly) by men of whatever stripe. Just like six degrees of separation to Kevin Bacon, anything negative done by someone who is a Democrat or supports the party is connected to Hillary Clinton. And, sadly, there are still some men who just don't get it.

Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 14:38



As to the section in bold, that's exactly why I posted the picture. Leave it to the harpy swarm to imagine all sorts of other nefarious motives. After all, I'm older than most of you, I'm male, and I'm white. Therefore I must be up to no good. And you folks call me prejudiced. What a hoot!



Since you are so fond of citations here are two definitions of "harpy" from the dictionary:

- a rapacious monster described as having a woman's head and body and a bird's wings and claws or depicted as a bird of prey with a woman's face
- a grasping, unpleasant woman

So those of us who disagree with you are rapacious, unpleasant women. Even the men? As you would say: nice.

Those of us who disagree with you are not prejudiced because you are white, male, and older. We disagree with you because we think you are wrong. That would be the case if you were any other race, gender, or age and expressed the same opinion. Stop playing victim.


Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 12:49



To recap:

Here's the picture and here's what I said about it. Look at the picture carefully, then read my caption again.

OK, now check this out.

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(joke removed to save space)
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Now, if any of you see me or perhaps yourselves in that joke, let me remind you that all I did was post a picture and a simple caption. The picture is available on the web as are the identities of the three people. Information about the three people is also available on the web.
So, any hyperventilating you may have suffered as a result of my post are because I posted a picture and said it I found it interesting? Not due to anything your fevered imagination read into the picture or my motives for posting it?

Really?

You were told once by a moderator that the picture was irrelevant and to stay on topic. You are a stubborn man. Why would you post it and try to make the same irrelevant point again? Quit while you are behind.

BTW, the joke wasn't funny.

Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 12:43



Does the gender of who knew really matter? I think anyone that knew, man or woman, and did nothing; are equally complicit. We are learning that for years, women have been warned about Harvey. Often times by other women. It isn't JUST men that protected and shielded him. ANYone that shielded him should receive equal scorn. We'll never know if Hillary knew, but I find it hard to believe she didn't. For an incredibly intelligent woman, there's an awful lot she "doesn't know". My biggest issue with Hillary is how often I'm expected to suspend my disbelief to believe the unbelievable.

As for obsession. From your posts, it seems to me that you are incapable of being objective whenever it comes to a topic of gender. No woman can or will ever be in the wrong or capable of wrong doing. (i'm not talking about any victim of HW's so don't sound the "victim blaming" alarm) I recall your objection to the Harry Potter series because they are sexist. Pfft.

Yes. There were many people who knew what HW was doing. His victims knew and most were too afraid to make public and/or criminal accusations against him. I have no doubt that they were rightly concerned about going up against a man with so much power and money. Perhaps it was made clear that this was the price they had to pay for some success and that they would be blacklisted if they did not comply or if they told anyone about it. The men who worked with and for HW knew. Some may have been afraid to lose their jobs. Others liked the money he made for them. And perhaps some were guilty of the same behaviour. Men around him bear at the very least equal responsibility and guilt for not outing him, if not more so because they were not his victims. His wife's design company, Marchesa, benefited from her connection to HW as he encouraged (not so gently) actors to wear her designs on the red carpet. Perhaps she was complicit to some extent too. Who knows?

What we know is that there is enough shame to go around for everyone, male or female (excluding victims) to go around. This was a not so well kept secret in Hollywood. Weinstein will finally have to answer for what he has done as criminal charges are being investigated in the UK as well as the US as I understand it. Everyone has to learn that success and wealth should not be achieved on the backs of victims of sexual abuse and assault. Everyone has an equal responsibility to call out this behaviour when they see it rather than excusing it, glossing over it, or pretending it is not going on. Silence is consent.

Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 09:33



As I stated in my original post, there evil everywhere. I never said there was any virtue in the GOP. Nor do I believe there is virtue in the GOP.

Also, he's not my esteemed President, I didn't vote for the guy. So, that point is null and void. We all know he's a pathological liar and his claims (while still disgusting and vile) make me think of The Sherminator from American Pie.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjkjYXmuvXWAhUIxFQKHQIfA2UQjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thesun.co.uk%2Fliving%2F3117429%2Fremember-sherminator-american-pie-chris-owen%2F&psig=AOvVaw11eNteIXCimIfVCXYR0oNM&ust=1508254177108556

For someone like me, who is just a little left of center, I see hypocrisy in both parties. Today's menu of hypocrisy is from the left and them bending over backwards to blame Harvey and Harvey alone. Knowing full well, if this were a football coach or a sheriff or a CEO of some oil company, the left would be out for blood for anyone and everyone associated with him. Now that a bastion of liberalism has been revealed as a monster, no one seems to want to go after all the people that had to have known. Producers and directors that knew and allowed him to assault their leading ladies. Executives at his studios, his assistants, all sorts of other people. Including politicians that lined their pockets with his cash donation.

The politics of it all doesn't change What's different is the reaction from social media and the public at large. With all the talk of rape culture and paternal society and how rich white dudes and the "good ol' boys" protect each other, why is that standard not applied across the landscape. Because you can bet your ass, if some picture from 10 years ago surfaced with Trump and Jerry Sandusky surfaced, he (Trump) would not get the same "it's not partisan politics". Again, he's not "my" guy. I didn't vote for him and see him for the clown he is. I'm not defending him, I'm only pointing out the double standard of the vocal left when the volume of their voice changes dependent on who made the offense.

I too am a little left of center, but politics in Canada is a lot less conservative than the US generally. You're absolutely right. There is hypocrisy on both sides. Sorry if I offended you by calling him "your president". I meant POTUS, not yours personally. My point was that people screaming about Weinstein's connections to the Dems are not screaming about the abuser in chief in the White House. Trump himself confessed to years of assaulting women and that was glossed over in the campaign as locker room talk. The same scrutiny should have been brought to bear on him, but it was not. So it is not just the left that has a double standard. Those who tarred Hillary with her husband's abuse of women were content to give Trump a pass.

These men are all sad specimens of humanity.

Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 09:26



This is Amal Clooney:

http://us.hellomagazine.com/imagenes/healthandbeauty/mother-and-baby/2017060639198/george-clooney-wife-amal-welcome-twins/0-207-970/george-clooney-amal-twins-t.jpg

BTW, I was not aware that anyone considered George Clooney as a sexual predator. Did I miss something?

The lady on the left of the photo with Harvey Weinstein is Ms. Clinton's aide, Huma Abedin. Ms. Abedin is/was married to Anthony Weiner, the former New York congressman recently convicted of sexting underage females.

Please don't say that all women of middle eastern descent all look alike.

Not only did I not mention their party affiliations, I did not imply that their actions were in any way politically motivated.

Once again, you're seeing things in my post that simply aren't there. I'll give you a 9.5 in the "jumping to conclusions" event.

Sorry. I guess I have to clean my glasses. I thought it was Amal Clooney. And yes, Weiner was a predator.

Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 08:31



Then we should all stop bringing those labels into the discussion.

I didn't mention the political affiliations of the three in the photo. Neither did lafayettemister.

Please! The Democratic candidate and the human rights lawyer who is married to Clooney, both political activists, and the statement that both women were married to predators like Weinstein. The political label was more than implied. It was there. Your being disingenuous does not change that.

Topic: Harvey Weinstein
Posted: 16 Oct 2017 08:13

The photo of Weinstein with Hillary and Huma is an illustration of the problem. If one believe in the rape culture of the U.S., this is a prime example of it. Now, Harvey's actions are his own. He is the bad guy, he is the predator, he is the serial rapist.

I find it hard to believe that a Presidential candidate & former First Lady & former Senator & former Sec. of State, at a benefit dinner would be allowed to sit next to someone who had not been vetted. It is inconceivable to me that someone on her team or the Secret Service or the CIA/FBU didn't pull Hillary aside and tell her, "look, you might not want to be seen next to Harvey Weinstein. There are numerous reports of him sexually assaulting women and it wouldn't be good for your image and message to be seen hobnobbing with him."

It would take some pretty severe tunnel vision to believe that Hillary didn't know what was in his closet. It looks like most of Hollywood knew what he was capable of and what he was doing. Hillary knew (she had to, how could she NOT have known) and it didn't matter because he had deep pockets. If we want to talk about rich white dudes and privilege, this is a prime example of someone of extreme power and pull giving legitimacy to a predator.

Is Hillary responsible for his actions? No. Did her ties to him give him cover and make it harder for women to come forward..."he's friends with the Clintons, no one will believe me"... entirely possible.

First, I will say again what I said much earlier in this thread. Partisan politics has nothing to do with this. This is about men in a position of power, whether in business, politics, the professions or any other endeavour who exert that power over women. Everything you just said about a woman's possible reaction to Weinstein could be said about those sexually assaulted by your esteemed president. The difference is that even if it has taken years, Weinstein's abuse has been both exposed and is and will be punished. The man who boasted during the election campaign that he habitually sexually assaulted women is sitting in the White House. So, based on you argument I would say that Trump is the one who is getting away with something.

Every time someone brings this up as somehow excused by those in the Democratic party as opposed to those paragons of virtue in the GOP, they should think again. Sexual abuse and assault has no political label.

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